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March 27, 2003
Michael Moore Making Next Film: 'Saddam and Me'

(2003-03-27) -- Academy-award winning filmmaker Michael Moore said his next documentary will chronicle how Iraq's lax gun-control laws have turned a peaceful Islamic republic into a cauldron of death and destruction.

The film, "Saddam and Me," will capture Mr. Moore's misadventures and witty banter as he attempts to ask the Iraqi president to ban personal ownership of firearms.

"Every nation that allows individuals to own guns will eventually wind up like Iraq," said Mr. Moore. "The gun culture encourages violence. Most Iraqis own personal firearms, and look what's happening over there. Children are dying. It's just like Columbine."

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God bless your numerous allies .

Long life to the proud soldiers of Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Palau, Pohnpei, Kosrae, Rota, Truk and Yap.

Posted by: Frenchman at March 27, 2003 10:19 AM

Frenchie, can it be true that France and Germany threatened Turkey on supporting the Anglo/American liberation of Iraq?

Posted by: Timmy the Wonder Dog at March 27, 2003 10:34 AM

Great idea for Mr. Moore. Especiall since private gun ownership has been banned in Iraq since Hussein came to power in the 1970's. It's a Capital Crime with no trial and only one penalty -Immediate Execution.

Posted by: Mass_GunOwner at March 27, 2003 10:45 AM


You forgot to mention Mattell, Milton Bradley, Barbie, and ToysRus.

Fight on GI Joe.. go kick some butt.

Posted by: Phrog Poet at March 27, 2003 10:53 AM

Just ask the Aussies about gun control. They banned them in the late 1990's.

Posted by: Mike S. at March 27, 2003 11:02 AM

Hey Frog, where you been? Had not heard much from you lately. Thought that you might have developed some balls and went to Bagdad to be a human shield. Just wishful thinking I guess. Sigh!!!!

As for Mr. Moore, I agree that guns are evil, bad, nasty animals that jump up and kill all on their own with no human intervention. That is why when all of the guns are confiscated and only criminals have guns I will be king criminal. Why? you ask, because I will have the only guns left. Do it my way or else! Come on all you interns, I think I love you. Open season on frogs, here frenchie, frenchie.

Posted by: Old Sailor at March 27, 2003 11:04 AM

Frenchman, Hi. We still on the Hamas thing? Last thread; Chem Plot.

Posted by: Bobby at March 27, 2003 11:35 AM

Mike S.

You need to get your information right about gun control. It was not the Aussies that banned guns, it was the United Kingdom.

This is from the Division of Natural Resources.
There is a new open season for hunting frenchies. Any caliber of gun can be used. Athough larger caliber are preferred for one shot kill. There is no bag limit as there are many frechies avalible for any one who wants to hunt. Here is a list of preferred calibers:
cruse missle

Posted by: buckeyes at March 27, 2003 11:41 AM


You as a Frenchman...actually like every thing else French the man part is a joke. But anyway, you have no place to to mock anyone when it comes to and Army. Those daisy smelling, beret wearing, Lilliputians that you call soldiers are nothing to be proud of, unless of course your talking about a River dance showdown.

Smell on, Nazi lover.

Posted by: g at March 27, 2003 11:54 AM

Warren Strobel and Jonathan Landay, who interviewed more than a dozen military, intelligence and diplomatic officials on this question (10/8/02):

"These officials charge that administration hawks have exaggerated evidence of the threat that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein poses-- including distorting his links to the Al Qaeda terrorist network-- have overstated the amount of international support for attacking Iraq and have downplayed the potential repercussions of a new war in the Middle East. They charge that the administration squelches dissenting views and that intelligence analysts are under intense pressure to produce reports supporting the White House's argument that Saddam poses such an immediate threat to the United States that pre-emptive military action is necessary."

Posted by: colin at March 27, 2003 11:55 AM

The Frenchie only makes these bold comments because he knows he is safe behind the military geniuses of France and the Maginot Line.

Posted by: Wallace at March 27, 2003 12:10 PM

buckeyes, unfortunately the Australians have banned guns and armed robbery in Brisbane has skyrocketed. I agree that those are some mighty fine calibers, but I have always been partial to a Barrett M82A1 .50 Cal. They are really nice at 2000 meters. I wonder how fast Mr. Moore and Mr. Frenchman can run????? After all,....... I would not be pulling the trigger, would I?? The evil gun would do it all!!! All by itself.

Posted by: Old Sailor at March 27, 2003 12:11 PM

Since the Second World War, the US has bombed China, Korea, Guatemala, Indonesia, Cuba, Guatemala (again), Peru, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Guatemala (third time lucky), Grenada, Lebanon, Libya, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Iran, Panama, Iraq, Kuwait, Somalia, Bosnia, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia.

In not a single case did the bombing produce a democratic government.

Why do you think it will be any different in Iraq?

Posted by: Frenchman at March 27, 2003 12:11 PM

A little bored today.

colin, I spent five years in ONI. My sources offer a totally different view than Warren Strobel and Jonathan Landay. The White House has not pressured individual analysts to give a preconceived notion as a fact since 1994. Wonder who would do that??

Posted by: Old Sailor at March 27, 2003 12:16 PM

Hey Frenchie, practice makes perfect. You in the market to be a target???

Posted by: Old Sailor at March 27, 2003 12:17 PM

What's going on here, is Yahoo's message board linking their rejects here?

Posted by: Pooke at March 27, 2003 12:20 PM

You are always going to find a couple people who are willing to say whatever so that they can get their 15 minutes. I heard of 4 retired generals criticizing the war plan etc and the response I heard was that out of 4,000 retired generals only 4 are saying negative things....
In other words, 2 guys interviewed some people (not listed how many, who or what their area of expertise is) and we must therfore accept it as fact. Give me some evidence!
So what if smaller countries (and a few large ones)are supporting us (around 41 at last count). All I can say is that they are smarter than the french and no which crowd to hang out with (Hmm, the big/powerfull/ country willing do do what is right, or the pansy-a$$ country who wants to eat cheese, drink wine and sell advance military secrets/technology to a brutal/homicidal dictator?).

M.Moore has been quoted as saying the he was at first jealous of the relationship between Saddam and Satan (South Park exclusive), but he decided that the 3 of them could make quite a nice combination (what would you call it, it's not a couple, would it be a triple?).

Posted by: Justin at March 27, 2003 12:22 PM

Frenchman, are you avoiding me? What is your point about Hamas? You did it again. You switched topics. Why do you keep doing that?

Posted by: Bobby at March 27, 2003 12:34 PM

On the other hand, countries that take away the right to bear arms wind up like all the one's that used to be behind the iron curtain or like the Nazi Germany or Red China as it is now.

Posted by: William Strickland at March 27, 2003 12:47 PM

And the French only bombed Greenpeace!

Posted by: some random guy at March 27, 2003 01:24 PM

And which French president said that some of these small upstart countries had missed a good chance to keep quiet?

(rhymes with Iraq)


Posted by: some random guy at March 27, 2003 01:26 PM

Frenchie, meet Colin.
Colin, meet Frenchie.

Now you two can sit on a park bench and eat each other's ice cream cone with arms entwined.

Greyhawk or Darth - I'm calling you in for air support - we have a couple of pessi-fists here!

Posted by: Syd at March 27, 2003 01:34 PM

Dearest Justin;

The International Committee of Naming Sexual Acts has decided today to name the impending union of Saddam, Satan and M. Moore. Realizing that the standard manage au troi (and I don't care if I mis-spell french words)would not suffice secondary to the size factors involved and it usually involves a member of the opposite sex and 2 same sex partners. Debate raged on whether M. Moore was actually a man and not some ugly drag queen but finally demured to accept that Satan is probably gender-less. The new term will be "menage au 3987".
Worries about offspring from this sexual act horrifed most of the attendees. When it was stated that 2 men can not reproduce, it was mentioned that Satan as a supernatural power could possibly do anything. A general conscensous of,
"Not even Satan would be that evil" satisfied most attendees and the conference ended.


Posted by: Danjo at March 27, 2003 01:46 PM

I was reading Revelations,when it suddenly dawned on me : Moore(6) + Saddam(6) + Satan(5)...whew!! Thought the Apocolypse was upon us there for a second! Man was I relieved...but wait a minute... French(6)!!! OMG!! Run for your lives, the Beast is upon us!

Posted by: mike at March 27, 2003 02:02 PM

I knew about the french term, but I'm trying to avoid most things french.
I agree to Go Marines, my brother the last that I heard was sent into Iraq within the last 24 hrs (we don't know where). So to all you marines, good luck, good hunting and Semper Fi!

Posted by: Justin at March 27, 2003 02:03 PM

Yahoo rejects???? pooke??? please clarify your meaning.

Posted by: Old Sailor at March 27, 2003 02:51 PM

OK you uncultivated French bashers - I bet none of you knows that, just as the Eskimos have 12 different words for snow, French have 20 for ìI (we) surrenderî. Oh, I know Frenchman will deny it but, hey, they have 50 expressions for lying ñ the most popular being ìplease believe meî.

Posted by: An Old Pole at March 27, 2003 02:59 PM

Old Sailor- don't take it personally. I notice a lot of new people here re-hashing old arguments that have been quashed in the SF archives.

I'm just wondering where they are all coming from and suspect that once they have been blown apart on one site, they move on to the next hoping, begging, whatever that they will change hats and mines.

Posted by: Pooke at March 27, 2003 03:00 PM

BTW, both my dad and my father-in-law were old sailors, too :)

Posted by: Pooke at March 27, 2003 03:02 PM


I am cursed/blessed with a very vivid imagination. Now I'm afraid I'm going to have to pour Dran-o in my ear to get that disgusting image out of my head.
If you toss Khalid Sheik Mohammed into the mix it gets even worse!
The horror, the horror!

on a related note: I wonder if anybody thought of using an old Epilady on KSM to stimulate his memory. Last time I saw a primate back that furry I was watching "Gorillas in the Mist."

Now where did I put the Dran-o?

Posted by: some random guy at March 27, 2003 03:07 PM


Posted by: BOMB THE FRENCH TRAITORS at March 27, 2003 04:04 PM

I once thought this war was a reasonable thing to do. As it was quite difficult to argue about it here in France, I often connected on Scrappleface, hoping I'll find arguments, facts, even jokes that would help me.

But let me say just one thing now: this war sucks just as most posters do. Accept no other opinion, just repeat same old rusty stinking jokes, insult the odd fool who expresses different feelings, use mean arguments and above all never be fun: that's some credo for sure.

I wonder if I were right about the war. I'm so angry with you, I sometimes laugh when I hear Americans are bombing their own troops. Isnt that mean? Well, it's the only way your posts ever make me laugh.

Posted by: Linus at March 27, 2003 04:54 PM

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Large European Country, centrally situated near ocean, excellant views of the Atlantic ,
borders the beautiful and scenic country of Spain,
picturesque and roomy Normandy Beach front condos, veto included,
pets okay,smokers okay, basic ammenities -
(no showers or toiletries)

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Flights: See the whine country. Chemical Crop Dusting Tours are available to Paris, Strasbourg, Nice, Bordeaux, Marseille, Toulouse and Lyon.

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Currency Used: UN Food for Oil Dollars,The French Franc,Disney Dollars.

Items of Interest: Hans Blix Garden Maze , The Kofi/Chirac Institute of Lesser Learning, Iraqi Frendship Hall, The Jerry Lewis Opera House

Channel Tunnel: Eurostar offers fast service between England and France. (Closed on English side till further notice.)

Visas Information: Egotistical,Socialist, Feyadeen Nationals from the the Old EU, Canada, Russia, Iraq, China, Libyia,numerous back stabbing Middle-east countries and Germany can visit France for up to 1,300 years without requiring a Visa. Visitors from other countries will require a Visa or Mastercard for their visit. American Express not excepted.

Food Laws: No American fast food, or California table wines.

Time: Iraq Mountain Time plus one hour or 12 years whichever comes first.

Electricity: 220v, 50Hz, lots of natural hot air.

Culture: France is historically known for many of its famous retreats, and continues not to dissappoint many travelling world citizens. France is also one of the favourite destinations for terrorists and brutal dictators on the run - with a wide choice of facilities available in the Alps although prices tend to be a little cheaper in the Pyrenees. The Massif Central is suited for those who prefer group get togethers and want to plan weapons of mass destruction.

Walking / Hiking: Huge choice of walking paths available to suit all troop movements. Good walking maps and guides are essential.Be sure to bring your Russian night goggles.

Cycling / Mountain Bikes: Pyrenees, Alps and Brittany offer wide selection of terrains and routes.Similar terrain to many free and Democratic countries you will learn to appreciate later. Excellant place to train rebels and dissidents.

Present Conflicts: No major conflicts at this time or in the next 20,000 years are seen.
France did declare war on Greenpeace,but suffering many casulities on the French side it came to a swift end. France still claims an unfair advantage to Greenpeace and has lost much in the scope of world opinion.

Posted by: Harden Stuhl at March 27, 2003 04:57 PM

You sound very depressed and I am sorry for you. I really think the problem is that you are living in France. Leave and your whole outlook will become clearer and more reasonable. Living in France is like living a a giant fogbank. I lived there for many years and became quite depressed. I believe it is in the water. It might even be that most of France is built on top of a 1,300 year old sewer system. Methane is not your friend. I must warn you again : Methane is not your friend"! After years of counselling and learning to drink clean tap water,I have found a new life and I will never go back. I wish the same for you my friend.

Posted by: Harden Stuhl at March 27, 2003 05:11 PM

Moore, Frenchman, Bubba Clinton, Daschle, etc! Kids, please learn from this, this is what happens when you play toooo much Hokey Pokey, when you are young. You start believing that it IS, what it's all about!

Posted by: Gay Paree at March 27, 2003 05:22 PM

Harden Stuhl,
Great tourist explanation, that should be funny even for Linus. PS love the name, made me laugh.

Your problem is that you are exposed to the ultra-liberal French media and you will always receive a lot of spin with the news. We are sorry you don't like this site, but it is a time of war and many of us are needing to say stuff that is not that funny. It is a release valve for us and you would probably learn something by reading what we have to say.

Posted by: Justin at March 27, 2003 05:47 PM

Linus (

You really go a little too far when you laugh at dead US soldiers.

There is a difference between being a supporter of peace, and being on the other side.

Just a little warning, folks on the other side are dying in large numbers.

If you want to put down the war, fine. If you want to cheer dead US Soldiers, please do that in front of Americans faces.

Gentlemen: needs some gay porn, herbal viagra, and stupid jokes. Please sign him up.

Posted by: Frog basher at March 27, 2003 06:39 PM

In not a single case did the bombing produce a democratic government.Why do you think it will be any different in Iraq?
Posted by: Frenchman on March 27, 2003 12:11 PM
once again france your wrong wrong wrong

Posted by: AFGHANISTAN at March 27, 2003 06:54 PM

I was fairly diplomatic with my first message, but you have not responded so let me say something else.

My little brother is over in Iraq and his unit is now committed to battle and I RESENT S#@$heads like yourself laughing at the fact that people are dying. That could be my brother you are laughing at. Just remember you are laughing at the grief of someones son, daughter, husband, etc and you are spitting in their faces. For all I can say is [ ], YOU MISERABLE EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN! YOU ARE A WASTE OF AIR AND PRECIOUS RESOURCES.
Sorry scott if you have to censor this but I'm pissed!

Posted by: Justin at March 27, 2003 06:59 PM



The French or France

Posted by: PMRC at March 27, 2003 06:59 PM

Actually if all the Iraqi people had guns, there would be no Saddam now.

Posted by: Robert at March 27, 2003 07:00 PM

DIE YOU B#@$!#$!#$^!#$#$

Posted by: jp at March 27, 2003 07:04 PM

L'anus (alias Linus) I hope you and "Freedomman" (I can't bring myself to say the "F" word any more) die of the self-contracted gonnorhea that has obviously infected your brains.

Posted by: tired of whiners at March 27, 2003 07:26 PM

Michael Morph is looking for a stunt double for his new picture. They actually thought they could use his twin, 'Devine', until they were informed, it, (Devine), has been dead for sometime now. They are now combing bariatric weight-loss centers, and all-you-can-eat parlors. "After we find our 'tub of goo', then a quick, 'bowl-on-the-head' haircut, and we have our man, errrraaaa,--I mean,--- thing!"

Posted by: Michael Morph at March 27, 2003 07:31 PM

I think it is syphilus that attacks the brain causing dementia etc. Whatever they have they definately have issues (not that I have anger management probs, I just get mad at ignorance/stupidity)

Posted by: Justin at March 27, 2003 07:49 PM

Well Frenchman, I have tried several times today to contact you; perhaps another day we can resume and you can tell me why you drag Hamas into the debate over Iraq. Aside from the fact that Sadaam finances these barbarians, I don't see what it has to do with his penchant for torture, rape, intimidation of his subjects and WMDs. Until next time, same bat-time, same bat-place.

Your off-the-cuff remark about our allies in this coallition is demonstrative of French arrogance toward other nations of the EU. This is no way to make friends... if you want them to fall in line w/u, you'll have to be nicer to them.

Posted by: Bobby at March 27, 2003 08:20 PM

Charles Rangle was just on Hannity and colmes. I have more respect, and use for, what I flush down my toilet everyday. This little man, (hate to use that word decribing this loser), is a disgusting example of what happens when people of his ilk, migrate to a certain area, then vote, FILTH of his kind, into elected office. The bright part of this is, he is only, one of eleven who didn't vote to support Our Troops, and Our President,WHILE AT WAR, and hopefully, some, OR all of them will be voted out of office in the next election! Some Veteran he is! As an Honorably Discharged Veteran I say, I am ashamed of HIS service!!! Timothy McVey was a Veteran too. thank God, there are few like these two!!!

Posted by: I AM THE WALRUS at March 27, 2003 10:54 PM

Have you ever noticed that men like Rangle and I also use the term men loosely, always come out with venom towards Bush? Charlie Rangle doesn't care about the war, doesn't care about the troops, he wants everybody to hate Bush. That is becoming clearer and clearer from all these anti war protest people. Especially the Charlie Ranglers. What a thudhead.

First he insinuates that the troops are responsible for the deaths of innocent women and children?

Then when cornered with callous remarks about our commander in chief and others, he has the [temerity] to say he supports the troops?

Then the mother of all rancid statements, he are is going to see them off this week?

Who wants your support "Charlie" - stay home you [jerk]! If you want to go somewhere, Bush can arrange for you to be dropped off over Bagdad, especially if you really want to go and support your goat loving, boyfriend Saddam. On the way down make sure you don't chap your big fat [tail], on the hot point of our laser guided smart bombs.

Posted by: Harden Stuhl at March 27, 2003 11:59 PM

I wish to apologize for my obviously angered comments and placing Charlie Rangels name in the same paragraph with the descriptive term "jacka*s". His comments caused me to become extremely angered. In hindsite, I admit it was inconsiderate for me to use Charlies name for that particular reference point. A persons physical attributes should never become part of the topic of discussion.

I also realize now that "jacka*s's" around the world will be deeply offended by comparing Charlie Rangles to them.I wish to offer my deepest and sincerest apologies to all the "jacka*s's" around the world. In conclusion I have found,there are no words that accurately describe what Charlie Rangels is.Unless he is french.

Posted by: Harden Stuhl at March 28, 2003 12:46 AM

One good thing about Mr. Moore...

He makes drunk, obnoxious rednecks look better by comparison.

Speaking of such pleasant things...

Hey frenchFry!

Where you been home?

Shame you girls'll miss out on all the fun and lucrative oil contracts when we and England (a great country located uncomfortably close to the world's largest infestation of cockroaches) help Iraq rebuild.

But hey, look at the bright side. Your schmuck of a leader can still be really snotty to former Iron Curtain countries.

(Like someone could stop him! Ha!)

So it's not like you lose everything that's valuable to you.

Ciao Baby!

Tour Italy!

Boycott france and ALL french products!

Posted by: Okie Dokie at March 28, 2003 12:58 AM

This is really strange...I guess someone changed my descriptive term "jacka*s" used to describe Charlie Rangel, to the word [jerk]. Censorship? Okay, I now sincerely apologize to all the [jerk's] in the world. Or does Charlie Rangel actually work part time as a board moderator?

Posted by: Harden Stuhl at March 28, 2003 01:14 AM


Tell the South Koreans that their government is not democratic. They are just as happy as the French to use their freedom, bought with American lives, to criticize the USA.

Posted by: Brice at March 28, 2003 03:53 AM


Systems of government of selected Countries: South Korea-Republic; Guatemala-Constitutional Democratic Republic; Peru-Constitutional Republic; Grenada-Constitutional Parliamentary Monarchy; El Salvador-Republic; Nicaragua-Republic; Panama-Constitutional Democracy.

Next time check your facts.

You can also add Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania as representative governments which resulted from the U.S. hardline stance toward the USSR. France preferred to appease the USSR as usual.

Posted by: Brice at March 28, 2003 04:40 AM

You are talking about Banana Republics not republics.

Posted by: Frenchman at March 28, 2003 08:44 AM

Dear Bobby,

The Hamas is an organisation that has a very interesting origin and I wished you could find it by yourself just because it is illustrating that the Middle East is a very very complicated region.

War propaganda has a tendancy to describe things in an oversimplified manichean way (We are the good and you are the evil! kind of thing).

Reality is infinitely more complicated.

please believe me (as Colin Powell said in the UN )


Posted by: Frenchman at March 28, 2003 08:54 AM

Everyone please go to and take the poll re: Michael Moore. Scroll down to the bottom right of the site's first page.

Posted by: AHA at March 28, 2003 09:17 AM

Frenchman, yes it is. So is NY, NY. Luckily, they have some of the best cops and firefighters in the world. As I post, three men of Arab descent have been taken into custody after NY construction workers busted them with suspicious packages on the Williamsburg Bridge.

Posted by: Bobby at March 28, 2003 09:32 AM

And by the way, do you disagree with my description of the origins of Hamas? You did not explicitly say so, but the nature of your comment implies that you do. Do you or do you not? It's a simple yes or no question.

Posted by: Bobby at March 28, 2003 09:34 AM

Frenchman, you twit, and that is insulting to twits,
Kuwait does have their government back...and it was a waste of American lives that are buried in Brittany and Normandy that allowed YOU to exist. Germany and other countries held hostage by the soviets and the Nazis have demcracy because we held the line, and because we flexed muscle and you whined about needing help.

You are a biased ignoranus. First of all, in the case of Korea, we had real esate up to the Yalu river, and the UN, under a communist secretary general, negotiated it back to the north Koreans above the 38th parallel.
In the case of VietNam, honor would have no meaning for someone like you who doesn't stand for something and will fall for anything. Our guys did their job and the UN screwed them out of that as well.

Linus, I have to laugh at the fact that you live in France. Went to Versailles, supposedly lovely and the whole place smelled like an outhouse...because the courtiers and the king just relieved themselves wherever and whenever...just you are doing now. No taste, no refinement, just being crass.

Not standing for anything as I explained to the frenchman has led France into being bombed in recent years by terrorists...Paris quite a few times in the 80s, after the US bombed Libya and denied the use of airspace.

France is still hanging on to that dead chein of de
Gaulle's...supreme in all things and still can't figure out what went wrong and why it isn't working. Well, the EU will go the way of the USSR.
flushed down the tubes of history.

Long live America!

Posted by: cricket at March 28, 2003 10:00 AM

Dear Bobby,

I am afraid to say that I missed your description of the historical origins of Hamas.

Could you be kind enough to localise or repeat it?

please believe


Vive De Gaulle !

Posted by: Frenchman at March 28, 2003 10:14 AM

Posted by Bobby at March 27, 2003 11:35 AM

Look up!

Geez you send me all over the place, look up this, investigate that but you can't even follow your own thread! I'm sorry if I am coming across as a little mad today, but someone tried to blow up a bridge near me this morning and more of my neighbors are dead than this in this entire conflict so far and we were unprovoked here we are trying to save civilians feeding them and providing medical care and we are so hated but noone seems to hate these people who are killing innocent civilians in the US.
Viva le NYPD!

Okay. Back to business. Answer my question. I will be back later because I need to cool off
Viva le NYFD!

Viva le PAPD!

Posted by: bobby at March 28, 2003 10:31 AM

bobby, Last time I was in France my son was 18 months old and my daughter had not been born yet. That was in 1971. The place stunk like an outhouse, people peed on the streets in front of everyone and then called themselves enlightened. Everyone that I met said that Europe would be great if the French and Belgians were not there. I guess you can add the Germans in 2003 now. If they are not with us then they are against us and should be considered enemies. When you have an enemy it is always prudent to destroy him before he destroys you. Perhaps a MOAB in Paris for the springtime, hmmmmmmmm.

Posted by: Old Sailor at March 28, 2003 10:42 AM

Old Sailor, my dad worked with a guy from Germany who was going on and on about how beautiful his country was. He asked another guy if he had ever been there, and he responded "no, but my father was". "Did he like it?" asked the German. "I guess... as much as he could see from his gunners sights"

By the way, I haven't heard any more about the Williamsburg Bridge, but it is still closed and there are a lot of uniforms there. I'm a little frustrated at the lack of media coverage on this.

Posted by: Bobby at March 28, 2003 11:07 AM

Thats homeland defense for you. It would be nice to know what was going on though, especially when you can look out your front door and see there is a problem. Keep us posted as there has been nothing on the national news yet.

Posted by: Old Sailor at March 28, 2003 11:13 AM

Those "banana republics" have a lot more character and intelligence than your "enlightened/cultured" country. They have a free democracy and the use it well. Many of them have been ruled by harsh dictators/governments in the past, but have shown that democracy can succeed in areas that have not had it before.

Frenchie, one more thing. What is this about Villepin-head not stating who they want to win this war? I think you all just proved your allegence and you should be treated as a country that aids the enemy.

Posted by: Justin at March 28, 2003 11:45 AM

Old Sailor, looks like a false alarm on the bridge. The only local media even covering the story is WCBS, NY... I caught the back end of their report. They didn't find the suspicious packages, but did find and detain 3 suspcious men caught trying to enter the "suicide gate" of the bridge.

Posted by: Pooke at March 28, 2003 12:11 PM

Take this ad hominem attack any way you wish:
Fermez votre bouche!
Take your laughing, unpatriotic, terrorist sympathizing, ungrateful self over to Iraq and France and stay there. If the Eiffel Tower were to blow up tomorrow, as mad as I am with the French government, I would NEVER DREAM of laughing at their misfortune. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Posted by: Alice at March 28, 2003 12:20 PM

Old Sailor, the bridge has been reopened and they didn't find any explosives. But I think It's got everyone a little jittery because now I think I hear jets being scrambled.

Frenchman, viva le Bridgeworkers and Jogger who spotted thugs on the lower level of the Williamsburg bridge today.

Posted by: Bobby at March 28, 2003 12:22 PM

Bobby, the 3 thugs were drunk.

Posted by: Pooke at March 28, 2003 12:26 PM

Take this ad hominem attack any way you wish:
Fermez votre bouche!
Your laughing, terrorist sympathizing, ignorant self belongs in France. If the Eiffel Tower were to blow up tomorrow, as mad as I am with the French government, I would NEVER DREAM of laughing at their misfortune. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Same goes for you Monsieur--you'd feel differently if it was your country under attack. Oh that's right, you'd be speaking German right now if it weren't for our intervention in WWII.

Posted by: Alice at March 28, 2003 12:34 PM

Sorry Scott--had some trouble posting.

Posted by: Alice at March 28, 2003 12:35 PM

Still behind the enemy lines

Chirac's friday morning agenda.

Wasting the taxpayers' money decorating generals and some other members of the military. The odd Iraqi uniform and a few sand-soiled combat boots puzzled the foreign press present at the gig.

What these types got decorated for remains a puzzle to most analysts. The words "Badge of Cowardice" were heard by at least three passers-by later interviewed by the media.

Details in this afternoon's edition of "Le Monde".

Posted by: nosingaround at March 28, 2003 12:44 PM

Sorry for not answering sooner, but actually I have a job in real life and I cant spend hours babbling on this site.

I forgot to say that I just love scott's posts, even if I hate and despise most of your comments. Scott is the only one here who cheers me up and makes me think I'm right.

As for yours comments about my last posts, I'm depressed to notice that they just confirm my opinion.

And please understand that I will never, never laugh about soldiers being killed (who will? maybe you?) but you have to admit that bombing your own positions is quite Monty-Python-like. By the way, I thought that the little mistake resulted in 37 soldiers "lightly wounded" and nobody dead. Please read my posts before spitting your stupids comments.

Posted by: Linus at March 28, 2003 12:52 PM

Oh, and could you please explain why it's so noble to suggest "a MOAB on Paris for the springtime"? Laughing about your bombing your own troops is no big deal after all...

And remember, I support your action in Iraq! So in your next insults don't use the vile word "pacifist"...

Posted by: Linus at March 28, 2003 01:00 PM

How did we prove your point. You stated that you would laugh at American casualties and that is extremely offensive. You are talking about people! Do you think our troops are enjoying killing Iraqis? I can assure you that they are not, in fact they are restraining themselves so that they can keep infrastructure in place and hope that the soldiers will surrender not die.

Bombing postitions happens. Friendly fire incidents happen all the time and fortunatly noone died. It was a mistake and they happen, but by calling it monty python like is rediculous. We have the best trained/equipped military in the world, but we are not perfect.

Do us all a favor and enjoy Scotts satire and leave the posting to responsible adults.

Posted by: Justin at March 28, 2003 01:01 PM

Well, talking about responsible adults, I ask it again: is it noble/responsible/patriotic/whatever to suggest "a MOAB on Paris for the springtime"?

Posted by: Linus at March 28, 2003 01:19 PM

colin - so what

I was stationed in germany (the last time 1987-1990). The district commander I worked for a bit of a jerk and I didn't like him, but one occasion always comes to mind. We (we were intelligence/investigations folks) were at a function with the German Military Intelligence staff (MAD). The Oberst (colonel) in chagre of this group was talking to my colonel and said "it is a shame that more american military do not get to learn german before coming over here" My colonel responded (he was a history major) "Colonel, it has never been a spoint in history that the conquerors must learn the language of the vanquished." What most people didn't realize that Germany, until the 90's was still an occupied country under the status of Forces agreements signed after the Nazi surrender. All of Germany, like Berlin, was divided into four sectors- one for the soviets, one for the British, one for the Ugh french and one for the Americans (capitalization and/or lack thereof intentional).

Linus, come to the US and I will personnaly kick your A#$, you weasly POS.

Frenchman, your are a moron - STFU

Posted by: Darth Chef at March 28, 2003 01:35 PM

I didn't know that Michael Jackson was a frenchfag!

I concede the point about the MOAB over Paris being an irresponsible comment. Like I posted in the other forum, our emotions are running high and when you come in saying what you have said only inflames us more (being from another country doesn't help and the fact that you probably have no friends/relatives fighting).

Posted by: Justin at March 28, 2003 01:53 PM

And what is wrong with a MOAB over Paris? You want to see my friends dead. You hate everything America stands for and you basically are Socialists. Why should I care about you, your country or what you think?

Posted by: Old Sailor at March 28, 2003 02:01 PM

Old Sailor

You know what's wrong with a MOAB over Paris in the spring? It would blow the stink everywhere.

Posted by: AHA at March 28, 2003 02:52 PM

Oh yeah, frenchman, we inherited the mess in VietNam nee Indochina from the french after y'all buggered it up. You people have had your fannies waxed in Africa, by the Russians, the Germans who took one look at the Maginot Line and walked around it.

You persist in the arrogance of ignorance and the horrible mess you made of the Revolution. We did not execute royalty and terrorize British sympathizers in ours. In reading about the Reign of Terror, there were many things the French did to their own people that makes you on a level with Saddam Hussein.

Get a life.

Posted by: cricket at March 28, 2003 03:00 PM

I've got linus's blanket, any bidders?
You can do whatever you want with it!

Posted by: Charlie Brown at March 28, 2003 03:09 PM

FRENCHFRY, you little maggot puke, DRILL Sgt Boot-In-Your-A$$ again. You little sniveling #@#*&%, you didn't show up for your physical! Look boy, it's mostly, drug screen, short arm inspection, and crab check, nothing that you are not used to doing all the time anyway! When I get a holt of you, you little smelly maggot, I'm gonna make you drop and give me 50. Be seeing ya REAL soon, BOY!!!

Posted by: SGT ElevenBravo at March 28, 2003 05:45 PM

Darth, I too was in Ger-mania, 1972-1974. Funny thing, ALL the towns had Churches, yet NO Morals. Bars had slot machines,(no 'arm', but it was gambling), 16 was the 'legal' age, no rating for movies, and DRUNKS everywhere. YES, DRUNKS. These people must have 50 holidays a year, and they ALL involve, FAT Germans wearing suspenders and shorts, drinking beer, (that contains as much alcohol as 'hard' liquor here), out of mugs that hold as much as a toilet, dancing to Polka music, then peeing whereever they wish! There other favorite pastime was, getting young G.I.'s drunk and then relieving them of their monthly pay!

And Linus, my dear boy. Yes, a MOAB on Paris, if, we find you traitous bas*ards sold weapons to Iraq, that in turn, killed Our Troops!

Frenchman, did they ever fix that elevator in the eiffle? I will say, the one fond memory I have of Paris, is the Louve! Beautiful Gardens, and it was cool seeing the masterpieces, Mona Lisa, etc! Thank God for pin point bombing, we could spare the Louve!

Posted by: Gay Paree at March 28, 2003 06:17 PM

Charlie Brown,
Cut it into small squares and place it in the porta-pottys with the french flags.

Posted by: Mike S at March 28, 2003 08:51 PM


It should be Saddam, Chiraq and Mr. Moore. Guess who gets to be "Lucky Pierre"? Put Moore on top.

Posted by: Gin Blossom at March 28, 2003 11:23 PM

This is the best thing Moore could have done for his country!!!

Go dribble off at the mouth in the Arab world...hopefully one of those horrible nasty guns will put a nice hole in him...or put him in a nice hole...or both!!!

If that doesn't work, hopefully he will come back and volunteer for speed-bump duty.

Posted by: jtbutcher at March 29, 2003 01:33 AM

HAMAS, while condemning American policies favoring Israel, has not targeted the U.S. directly.

Posted by: WHAT IS YOUR POINT at March 29, 2003 04:10 AM

UPI reports that Michael Moore melted when he attempted to stage an inspection at an Iraqi chemical site. Moore, infamously know as the documentary director of past works in America often staged many aspects of his documentaries. In Iraq Moore was filming a piece to support his new documentary on ill effects of Weapons of Mass Destruction in the hands of madmen.
Commenting on the incident Iraqi Minister of Culture, Tortu Reisfun, stated, "Mr. Moore was very enthusiatic about a realistic staged event. So we provided him with our latest ebola strain. Thirty days later Mr Moore had melted."
When asked about the unusually long course of Mr. Moore's illness WHO official Innef Ficient remarked, "There was a lot there to melt."
Discussion are underway with Kim II of North Korea, a film fan, to see if he would be willing to travel to Iraq to pick up the mantle of Moore's work.

Posted by: Carl Snodgrass at March 29, 2003 06:43 AM

Assad loses cool, then city.
President Assad of Syria when told by US defense Secretary Rummsfeld to stop allowing fighters and arms to tranship the Syrian border into Iraq forgot that he was playing with the big boys and got all blustery. He then put the Syrian and Lebanese armies on alert, and incited Hezbollah to begin cross border attacks on Israel. Shortly thereafter Damascus and Mr Assad disappeared. (See Isaiah 17:1)
When reporters asked Israel defense spokesmen whether they knew what had happened to Damascus, they responded, "Damascus? Never heard of him."
Satellite imaging shows a heap of rubble where the city once stood and what appeared a multitude of keggers and limbo dancing going on in the rest of Syria.

Posted by: Carl Snodgrass at March 29, 2003 06:56 AM

China launches Mulberry missile.
Yesterday China test fired their first Mulberry missile into the South China Sea. The missile with a range of 100 km is the second in China's self-guided sea cruise missile series. The first, the Silkworm, was largely ineffective. Chinese military officials when asked whether they got the cart before the horse by launching the Mulberry (Luke 17:6) after the Silkworm refused comment.
The American Council of Churches did release a statement that they were encouraged by this eccumencial effort by the Chinese.
PETA, an American animal rights organization, long critical of the Chinese government for launching Silkworms into the sea were please by the latest development. "We are encouraged to see a transitionn from this horrific reliance by the Chinese government on Silkworms for military purposes."

Posted by: Carl Snodgrass at March 29, 2003 07:20 AM

It is Ooglay, son of Saddam defender of Islam for whom I would declare a naked Jihad against your Apaches and their helicopters. I am to be here telling you rejoicefully about Saddam and Me! First I would be telling you about he is good baseball coach for little Ooglay. Ooglay's team always wins! But then I see this is about France. Okay, well as you are all to be knowing Ooglay is inteligent for being educated at the French sore bone university. Ooglay would say the parties the infidels had with their wine is making me know why wine is gift from Allah to France. Wine is the only hope of the French girls to make a future France! You would have to see them to understand. In my country we do not make the women wear veils but when we conquer France for the good of humanity I swear by the word of the prophet they will don the full Chador!!!
Also I am swearing by the hump of my camel if you are seeing a little Ooglay-looking French child that is not because of me. I do never drink their wine!

Posted by: Ooglay Hussein at March 29, 2003 11:52 AM

Why do the French have tree lined streets?
The Germans liked to march in the shade.
Why are the French cutting the trees down?
The Arabs like to march in the sun.
If the definition of treason includes giving aid or comfort to the enemy of your country, then why aren't we hearing more about the human shields in Iraq. The U.S. citizens in that country giving aid to the regime of a murderer should be immediately dealt with and treated with the full measure of the law. If you think the Constitution can help you survive your treasonist sentence, then think again! Enjoy your last days if you happen to return to the U.S. When the law gets done with you you'll wish you had died in a blast in Baghdad. If you died in Baghdad, then you will enjoy the fact that you died in your new home, because you are no longer a citizen of this country!!

Posted by: Futuretanker at March 29, 2003 01:13 PM

Frenchtry, are wrong (again/still) US is just practicing bombing runs, and doing munitons testing...Making War is like.. ummmm the NFL and Hollywood... we just it for entertainment, and to make obsence income. And its a cool way to spend all that money we steal by having economies based on the dollar.

We don't really care about setting up democracy and nation building...or human rights. We are afraid of the competition... which is why haven't bombed France yet... no worries there.

Posted by: Phrog Poet at March 29, 2003 02:29 PM


Michael Moore is a tool. I didn't know he was attracted to Saddam, but it doesn't matter since I'm not into dictators gone wild. Sean Penn makes a cameo.

Posted by: El Guy at March 29, 2003 02:38 PM

This is as good a place as any to fill you all in on the latest advances made by Progressive People for Peace. Regular readers know we are a for-the-troops-against-the-war group using ScrappleFace space to get our messages out to each other and the world. The rest of you will have to dig a little through this weeks posts to find our full message. Hint: try the protest-related sections. Feel free to join us by sending me a tax deductible contribution. Here's the news that matters:
1. Run Naked Chicken for Peace was not the huge success we had hoped for. Maybe a little later when warmer. Mike Moore's appearance was appreciated, if not fully enjoyed. We will try this one again when it's a little warmer. Couldn't help but notice the total lack of female involvement in this one. Not sure why...
2. All the committees are hard at work. Keep it up, Archie Bunker Watch (Henceforth just the "Bunker Squad" - props on the name change to Moonglow and the guys at the Berry Farm) is e-mailing reports on your performances here on ScrappleFace to the addresses we have on hand. Be sure and update your e-mail address with Todd and the contact committee.
3. Sputnikx: Come back! All is forgiven! Todd has a new cat but says it's yours if you want it! More then a few people have pointed out to me that we need to tolerate your diversity. Bad on me...

More later! Keep up the good work people!
Iím beiní followed by a moonshadow, moonshadow, moonshadow

PS Phrog, all the real poets are on my side...

Posted by: Bill Terwilliger at March 29, 2003 03:02 PM

Lest we forget.

That Chirac dude is the focus of much attention right now. But just allow me a reminder for the younger gang reading these pages:

That Mitterand crook and womanizer, who acted as president before Chirac, is the fellow who got everything fixed to get Arafat out of Beirut at a time when the Israelis had got him cornered for good.

Must be what Saddam's dreaming about these days?
One thing is sure: no more wet dreams for him. Those soaked drab olive pajamas hanging at the bunker's entrance every morning have more to do with bladder control when the Tomahawks rain down on the guy.

Posted by: nosingaround at March 29, 2003 04:59 PM

I am giving you days
not weeks
to stop the french bashing thing
its getting way old

Posted by: the boss at March 30, 2003 12:08 AM

Since the Second World War, the US has bombed China, Korea, Guatemala, Indonesia, Cuba, Guatemala (again), Peru, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Guatemala (third time lucky), Grenada, Lebanon, Libya, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Iran, Panama, Iraq, Kuwait, Somalia, Bosnia, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia.
In not a single case did the bombing produce a democratic government.
Posted by: Frenchman on March 27, 2003 12:11 PM
Oh, and could you please explain why it's so noble to suggest "a MOAB on Paris for the springtime"? Laughing about your bombing your own troops is no big deal after all...
And remember, I support your action in Iraq! So in your next insults don't use the vile word "pacifist"...
Posted by: Linus on March 28, 2003 01:00 PM

Frenchies ;

You failed to include your country - france . ---> It is the best example of what American bombing can produce.

Pacifist is not the proper word -- it must be "collaborator".

Posted by: SMITH at March 30, 2003 03:55 AM

Ok Boss,

You got it... We will stop telling the truth about the French, if they will stop lieing about US... is it a deal?

Posted by: Phrog Poet at March 30, 2003 04:14 AM


>>PS Phrog, all the real poets are on my side...

In which language? And posthumously, I presume.

It is the propensity of humanity to persecute the living prophets and eulogize the dead ones.

Posted by: Phrog Poet at March 30, 2003 04:38 AM

1 - 2 - 3 - 4
We don't want your stinkin war!!!

- From:
"Leaves of Peace; Collected Great Anti-War Poems" Bob Dylan, et. al.
Compiled by Bill Terwilliger
2003, Submitted for Publication to "The Free Press"

Posted by: Bill Terwilliger at March 30, 2003 05:28 AM


You'll wake up but way too late !!!

"Unpublish Works; un-Collected Great Freedom Poems" by Phrog Poet, et. al.
2003 No copyright-Permisson granted to distribute freely.

Posted by: Phrog Poet at March 30, 2003 11:50 AM

"I sniffed the pretty flower
and I knew that war was bad
And I saw the MOAB mushroom
...and it made me very sad"

- From:
"Leaves of Peace; Collected Great Anti-War Poems" Bob Dylan, et. al.
Compiled by Bill Terwilliger
2003, Submitted for Publication to "The Free Press"

Posted by: Greyhawk at March 30, 2003 11:59 AM

Actually, it seems that guns are quite common in Saddam's Iraq. Not assault rifles, but pistols and hunting rifles are freely sold. See:

(via samizdata:

Posted by: Adam Raizen at March 30, 2003 01:34 PM

cameo by Peter Arnet, traitor extraordinaire...

Posted by: AHA at March 30, 2003 09:07 PM


Posted by: J FRIGGIN P at March 30, 2003 09:49 PM

Applesauce is PROBABLY my all time favorite pulvarized fruit in a jar. I mean, come on, with its smooth texture, lovely aroma, and sweet-but-not-too-sweet taste its no wonder they don't sell the stuff by the barrel full. I think I'm gonna go get some applesauce right now!

Posted by: Caps Lock at March 31, 2003 03:14 AM


97% - NO
3% - YES


100,000 PEOPLE

Posted by: JP at March 31, 2003 09:04 PM


Unbiased !


Posted by: Frenchman at April 1, 2003 02:51 AM

Frenchman prefers Al Jazerra T.V., no bias there. But now that they are off the air, he will have to rely on The Daily Mirror, and The NAMBLA News!



plus infinity, slimeball!

Posted by: Pepe LeP.U. at April 3, 2003 10:19 AM


1. Slap him or her as hard as you can across the face for no reason.
2. When they ask you why you just slapped them, remind them that they want peace, a.k.a. "turn the other cheek".
3. Then slap them again, this time harder. Remind them again of september 11 and the multiple threats sent by the Iraq regime. Remind them again that they believe in peace, and tell THEM to "turn the other cheek".
4. Repeat this process until they come to their senses.


Posted by: KAE at April 3, 2003 11:35 AM

Dear KAE

"Remind them again of september 11 and the multiple threats sent by the Iraq regime."

There is NO link between SH and september 11.

Posted by: Frenchman at April 3, 2003 12:25 PM

On multiple news sources, including CNN, it has already been stated that long ago at an intelligence briefing, Bush was informed that Sadaam and Bin Laden have conspired together. Sadaam has FUNDED Bin Laden's supplies and weapons. THERE's the connection, genious.

I lived in the air force all my life, so we've lived everywhere, including Germany. I traveled to France several times and in conparison to the German people, all I saw in France were piss personalities and poor hygiene.

Posted by: Kae at April 4, 2003 10:43 AM

"There is NO distinction between terrorists and those who harbor them."

That's for you Frenchy. America will prevail.

Frankly, everyone, I'm sick of reading Frechy's bull****. anyone else?

Posted by: Kae at April 4, 2003 10:45 AM

Moore is [], sure. But this kind of commentary is, well, slighly up itself even by his standards. So Moore has [] arguments against guns, fine, but let's be intellectually reputable here and stop using him as an alibi for real blood lust. []Have a nice day!

Posted by: Friendly Fire at April 4, 2003 05:36 PM

From what I understand, the law in Suisse is that every home is required to have at least one firearm within...
heard about their soaring crime rate?

It's not about the tools guys, it's the morons who misuse them, and they don't pay much attention to laws anyway.

Don't take away my safety just because my neighbor doesn't know how to behave.

Let almost everybody have guns, but make the punishment for misusing them really, really big and bad. Huge even.


Posted by: Eve at June 10, 2003 01:32 AM

6,000 dead civilians.
No sign of weapons of mass destruction.
US soldiers continuuing to die after combat has been declared over.
And now Iraq is in even worse shape, and under the control of the world's biggest dictatorship, led by a Chistian fanatic with a lower I.Q than most High School students.
Who ever said that war wasn't the answer?

Posted by: Dukey at October 9, 2003 03:23 AM
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