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March 27, 2003
Blix Says Blisters, Vomiting and Death Don't Mean WMD

(2003-03-27) -- Hans Blix said today that even if coalition forces or Iraqi civilians begin to experience skin blistering, vomiting, loss of nervous control and death, it won't mean that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.

"I don't think that would be conclusive evidence that they have the weapons," said Mr. Blix, the United Nations' chief weapons inspector. "There are other things that cause these symptoms. Blisters are often caused by friction, like when your shoe rubs your heel. Vomiting could just be the flu. Loss of physical control is often epilepsy, and death can be caused by all sorts of things."

Yesterday, Mr. Blix said chemical protection suits and antidotes found in Iraqi bunkers don't mean that Saddam Hussein's troops were expecting use of chemical agents.

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BAGHDAD, IRAQ—Baghdad resident Taha Sabri, killed Monday in a U.S. air strike on his city, would have loved the eventual liberation of Iraq and establishment of democracy, had he lived to see it, his grieving widow said.
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Posted by: widow at March 27, 2003 09:02 AM

Proof positive that Hans Baby could not find his arse in the dark --- with both hands!

Posted by: Old Sailor at March 27, 2003 09:03 AM

Speaking of idiocy,for those of you who have been shocked and angered by retired Marine General Bernard Trainor praising Iraqi resistance on TV and showing on a map how they could best give US forces trouble, and by retired General McCaffrey criticizing US military strategy that is currently in place in Iraq, you can relax. We have just learned that the two highly esteemed and, by the way, psychic (in their ability to know the exact nature of the current US strategy) ex military men are just making the natural transition from military leaders to TV stars. Their recent performances were just humorous examples of their new sitcom ìStupid Old Has-Beensî.

Posted by: Tango at March 27, 2003 09:55 AM

Breaking news:

"Yesterday, Mr. Blix said chemical protection suits and antidotes found in Iraqi bunkers don't mean that Saddam Hussein's troops were expecting use of chemical agents"

Today this mistery is solved:
The interogation of the Iraki prisoners
revealed that they in fact were expecting the use of chemical agents after they had been told that the crazy dictator, Mr Bush had Weapons of mass destruction.


Posted by: frogwatch at March 27, 2003 10:03 AM

IRAQ OFFERS TO EXCHANGE P.O.W.'S FOR CELEBRITIES

The Pentagon today announced that it has accepted an offer by Iraqi officials to exchange the U.S. prisoners of war currently held by the regime for American celebrities. Stateside military police promptly rounded up Martin Sheer, Michael Moore, Katie Couric, Peter Jennings, and several others for immediate transport to Baghdad. There was said to be much blubbering and garment-wetting.

The A.C.L.U. almost filed a protest, but then changed its mind. Pentagon officials are hoping to make further arrangements to send as many more celebrites as the Iraqis want, as long as Baghdad is willing to guarantee they will not be treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention.

--

Widow, I'm trying to figure out if your post was meant to be clever. I think the scenario you mention is likely much closer to the truth than you have the capacity to fathom.

--

What's the difference between a skunk dead on a highway and Martin Sheen dead on a highway?

There are skid marks in front of the skunk.

Posted by: Keith at March 27, 2003 10:04 AM

Oh heck no! ... protective gear? Don't jump to any conclusions like they expected Iraq to actually use any of it.
That is just France and Russia "capitalizing" on a frightend beleagerd Saddamist vulnerablity. They wouldn't think of selling them anything that they thought would help them fight a war... that would be a violation of the UN sanctions. (and it is all probably defective anyway.. it's the least they could do)

Posted by: Phrog Poet at March 27, 2003 10:44 AM

"Speaking of idiocy, for those of you who have been shocked and angered by retired Marine General Bernard Trainor praising Iraqi resistance on TV and showing on a map how they could best give US forces trouble, and by retired General McCaffrey criticizing US military strategy that is currently in place in Iraq..."
I agree it's crazy isn't it Tango?
State Senator James Inhoff (R-Okla and Leader of the Senate Armed Services Committee) boink'ed em pretty good this morning in an interview with Glenn Beck. He said, "Don't put much in to the opinions of the ex-military leaders you are currently hearing - there are over four thousand retired military commanders, and the media could only find four who would say what they wanted to hear."

Posted by: zzebu at March 27, 2003 11:13 AM


The seven known U.S. prisoners of war are:

• U.S. Army Spec. Joseph Hudson, 24, of the 507th Maintenance Company. He and four others were taken prisoner Sunday after their convoy was ambushed by Iraqi forces in southern Iraq.

• U.S. Army Pfc. Patrick Miller, 23, of the 507th Maintenance Company.

• U.S. Army Spec. Shoshana Johnson, 30, of the 507th Maintenance Company.

• U.S. Army Spec. Edgar Hernandez, 21, of the 507th Maintenance Company.

• U.S. Sgt. James Riley, 31, of the 507th Maintenance Company.

• U.S. Army Chief Warrant Officer David S. Williams, 30, of Florida.

• U.S. Army Chief Warrant Officer Ronald D. Young, 26, of Georgia.

Williams and Young were both in an Apache helicopter when it went down Monday near Karbala, about 60 miles southwest of Baghdad. The Pentagon has said a search-and-rescue operation was launched immediately after their helicopter was lost, but it had to be called off due to heavy Iraqi fire in the area.

Posted by: calvin at March 27, 2003 11:48 AM

This just in... CNN has hired Calvin to replace Connie Chung.

We get the news, buddy. Don't you have something better to do?

Here is a nice place for you to go post your facts.

http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=EV&action;=m&board;=7088119&tid;=iraqusconflict&sid;=7088119∣=49010

Posted by: Pooke at March 27, 2003 12:25 PM

ZZebu,
i saw the same news interview this morning and thought it was a classic. It was a perfect way to discredit these idiot ex-generals and put them in their place.

Calvin,
We have the news and we know who the POW's are so spare us. You are a sick pathetic individual and are only trying to undermine the war effort. Many people believe that Americans will quickly fold or quit when they see pictures of their dead, wounded and POW's, but I have a little secret to tell you IT'S NOT WORKING. It only gives us more resolve and more reasons to go in and open up a can of whoop-a$$.

Widow,
Innocents die in war, it is unfortunate. I do say that he probably died quicker than those poor souls who were fed into an industrial plastic shredder (how come you don't mention their deaths?).

Posted by: Justin at March 27, 2003 12:33 PM

If it looks like a duck
Walks like a duck
And quacks like a duck
Chances are,
It's a duck!

I hold Blix personally and directly responsible for the US (& coalition) being forced into this conflict. I am unable to articulate the depth of my contempt for this man. I want our terrorism task force to check his bank accounts.

That Blix WOULD not answer the fundamental question "has Iraq disarmed, fully, completely and immediately?" was the "out" he gave to France, Germany, Russia & China to play at semantics.

Blix should be tried for the crime of failure to carry out his sworn duty and therefore giveing aid and comfort to terrorists, causing deaths of innocent Iraqis and Coalition warriors.

Kofi Annan needs a beating with an ethics stick, as well.

How DARE he admonish the US to abide by the Geneva Conventions???? To add insult to injury, he failed to admonish Baghdad's butchers to abide by the conventions.

Given the Iraqi army's battlefield behavior, can ANYONE be in doubt that this is a terrorist state? If your answer is that you doubt Iraq's terrorist leanings, then see Paragraph I, above.


Posted by: AHA at March 27, 2003 01:01 PM

I am ashamed to admit it fellow readers, but I saw widow's post yesterday in the "Onion". Don't give her credit.
I recently discovered this board and the articles are great. My question is; why is the "liberal" point of view being posted so weak? The arguments seem pretty one-sided...

Posted by: Eggman at March 27, 2003 01:10 PM

Aha,
We need to hold the French/German/Russian governments along with Blix accountable for the combat deaths and other casualties. This would have been a lot less bloody and easier if we were allowed to go in months ago, but nooo they made us wait, they dug in, sent in the loyalist/crazy motherf#@!@#s, and in all ways allowed them to prepare for this conflict (not in a militarily sense, a terrorist/guerilla sense).

Posted by: Justin at March 27, 2003 01:11 PM

The last thing heard from Hans Blix was"....they found what?" as he was being chased by an angry mob of villagers armed with torches, rakes, axes, and hoes...

Posted by: Melissa at March 27, 2003 01:28 PM

First, A huge hug to the "coalition of sanity" regulars who post! My ears have been bleeding listening to the news reports, lately.

Blix's next mission will be to help Michael Moore find his feet(since he has'nt seen them in 12 years).

Won't be long now...keep movin' forward guys!

Posted by: mike at March 27, 2003 01:30 PM

zzebu, what's really crazy is these retired generals taking money and going on TV to make our job harder and more dangerous in Iraq. There ought to be more outrage expressed by the public on this, regardless of the camp you're in on the war. I tried to make a joke of it, but there's really nothing funny about it.

Posted by: Tango at March 27, 2003 01:39 PM

Makes you wonder about some of our generals. Their loyalty astounds me. Now that I think about it, they were probably a general over supply clerks or over cooks...

Posted by: Justin at March 27, 2003 02:11 PM

Don't ALL military personnel have to sign some sort of loyalty oath - effective for their LIFETIME - or something? since we are also in a "propaganda war", can't Rummy or Dubya issue some sort of edict to shut the mouth of these people who are running around like Chicken Little, saying the sky is falling?

Posted by: AHA at March 27, 2003 02:25 PM

Wouldn't you think even the Democraps would speak out against these geezers? I mean, it's their military out there in the sandstorm too.

Posted by: Tango at March 27, 2003 03:12 PM

Yep!! It makes me wish some of these anti-war protestors would just go play in the traffic... Calvin, widow, Frenchman, you hear that, hmmmm?!?

Posted by: zzebu at March 27, 2003 03:29 PM

Calvin,

I don't understand your logic. You seem to be trying to convince most of the posters here that the war isn't justified. Most of the posters here believe (rightfully so) that it is. We support the troops, unlike the hypocrites that say they do to be politically correct, (I.E, Hollywood, liberals, the obese Michael Moore,etc...). No one wants to see people die. What choir are you preaching to? We are not going to change our minds.As the President and Tony Blair said, " We are in this untill it is done!"

Thank God - guys like you are on the other side. We would be in trouble if we had a think tank that included your variety.

I will caution you though, if you think putting the names of the dead soliders on a satirical message blog is supposed to be funny. I must come to the conclusion that you are either a sick individual or a member of the socialist feyadeen protestors. Either way you will be exposed. The consequences of your actions will be fully implemented. I am not being satirical.

Posted by: Harden Stuhl at March 27, 2003 03:30 PM

I think we should sue widow for plagiarism, but, nah, it's sad enough to know widow can't conjure an original thought and, instead, has to copy and paste. So sad.

Posted by: Ryan Rhodes at March 27, 2003 03:44 PM

Originally, I thought widow was some poor misguided soul. But please believe, as I do, that she is Frenchman.

And Eggman, is that a real question or are you being fecitious (sp?)

Posted by: Pooke at March 27, 2003 04:51 PM

I had a thought after hearing that the Iraqi soldiers were dressing as U.S. soldiers. If we could get them to dress as American Policemen, we could send the anti-war protesters over, and stand back and watch the fun!

P.S. Had to laugh when I heard Hans say, "They, (the U.S. and Britan), had better find WMD!"
Here's a clue Hans, if we are not afraid of Saddam and his thugs, there is NOT a chance, we are scared of YOU!

Posted by: Susan Serin-Done at March 27, 2003 05:04 PM

Pooke, I was completely serious. I have no problem with the majority opinion on this board but am curious as to where all the opposition is. Is this board for "conservatives" only?
It seems that the alternative debate here is pretty limp...or is the opposition all out protesting in the streets?

Posted by: Eggman at March 27, 2003 05:17 PM

Eggman,
I think it is probably because the majority of the Americans feel that way. What you are seeing is an occasional blurb from the other side. Although the protestors don't want to admit it, they know they are vastly outnumbered also. But like their friends (the Iraqi Special Forces) they try to hide numbers and use the media to cause confusion. Two hundred people look like a lot when they stand in front of a camera, but from a distantance they just look like a small target.

Posted by: Harden Stuhl at March 27, 2003 05:31 PM

French Canada running the World..Now that is a scary thought.

Posted by: Harden Stuhl at March 27, 2003 05:42 PM

"french designer labels WMD protective gear"....1 size fits all?..wonders if they are sand coloured or forest green?.......and some "ex"presidents not being on the news media teams whew, they would make the retired generals look like beginners..

Posted by: AnGeL Thoughtz at March 27, 2003 06:56 PM

Off topic, but I thought I would let you all know of the responce I got from Lipton about the dizzy chicks, it took awhile, as I e-mailed them when it happened.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lipton Tea
To: jskaggs@hotmail.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:51 AM
Subject: Reply from Lipton Tea



Dear Consumer,

Thank you for your recent note regarding remarks made by Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks. It is important for us to hear from our consumers and listen to their concerns.

As you can imagine, we did not expect a political controversy to arise when Lipton became a sponsor of the Dixie Chicks upcoming "Top of the World" concert tour. In this time of national crisis, we believe it is important for Americans to come together behind the values of freedom, democracy and tolerance that have made the United States of America into the country it is today.

We have every reason to believe the Dixie Chicks sincerely regret the distress Ms. Maine's comment has caused. In a subsequent statement, she said, "As a concerned American citizen, I apologize to President Bush because my remark was disrespectful. I feel that whoever holds that office should be treated with the utmost respect. We are currently in Europe and witnessing a huge anti-American sentiment as a result of the perceived rush to war. While war may remain a viable option, as a mother, I just want to see every possible alternative exhausted before children and American soldiers' lives are lost. I love my country. I am a proud American."

The Dixie Chicks have in the past shown their love of America in very public ways, such as by singing the National Anthem at the Super Bowl in January, for an audience of 930 million people worldwide. The strong bond they have forged with the public - country and popular music fans alike - is reflected in part by the People's Choice award they won for "Favorite Musical Group," and the fact that their upcoming tour sold out in record time. The band's popularity and success were further recognized when the Recording Academy awarded the Dixie Chicks four Grammy Awards.

While we respect the right to free speech for all Americans, we believe it is important for artists such as the Dixie Chicks to recognize the impact their points of view can have on their fans, especially in these uncertain times.

We value your comments, and equally, the constructive spirit in which they were offered. Thanks again for your time and for allowing us to clarify the situation. We'll be certain to share your thoughts with the Dixie Chicks.

Sincerely,

Linnea Johnson
Director, Consumer Services

"Clarify the situation", Lipton? I think Bill O'Reilly would call it "SPIN", but nice try though!

Posted by: Susan Serin-Done at March 27, 2003 07:14 PM

Susan,
That is spin alright, they really didn't address your issue. They just want to keep them on because they are currently really big. Now that the record sales have dropped 43% and will continue to drop, they will soon be dropped for the next up and coming group.

Posted by: Justin at March 27, 2003 07:31 PM

Yesterday, Mr. Blix said chemical protection suits and antidotes found in Iraqi bunkers

don't mean that Saddam Hussein's troops were expecting use of chemical agents.

*******************************
YEAH....AND I AM A TOASTER

HANS IS A DIX'S

Posted by: JP at March 27, 2003 07:40 PM

Did we just find our first batch of chemical weapons? We shall see, however I believe that this is just the beginning even if Blix said that all these symptoms are not from WMD...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31735

Posted by: Justin at March 27, 2003 07:42 PM

There are reports out that shows that the BBC and many other news stations are pro-saddam. They are only lengthening this war. IF the BBC was to report our progress and the truth, those listening in baghdad would rise up quicker. Since they are not, it is only going to get more people killed and cause this to drag on...

Posted by: Justin at March 27, 2003 07:54 PM

Eggman, I think because Scottís satire does such a great job of pointing out the silliness of the left on this site (ìItís funny because itís TRUEî) that the opposition just doesnít find it as funny as you or I. There is also a kind of camaraderie of the like minded, regardless of which side you are on.

As to the alternative debate, itís here in varying forms, but they are faced with fierce logic from the conservative and independent (LPB, wouldn't leave you out) regulars here, who happen to be very talented at shooting fish in a barrel.

Posted by: Pooke at March 27, 2003 08:55 PM

And let me add, you guys make my day.

Posted by: Pooke at March 27, 2003 09:01 PM

to eggman:

there is only frenchman, Bexel and I on the other site and from what you have red so far there are no arguments at all on this site, only popular rants - same as George W. Bush - empty phrases and a few rally around the flag, clapping your own back slogans. And everybody screams Heil Bush!

If you want some lefty liberal ideas check out this post:
http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/000780.html

but be aware, I am considered on this board to be a liberal, leftwing anti-semitic communist nazi, who is out to kill all Americans and am after world domination under a fascist regime but secretley admire socialism and marx.

sputnikx

PS: This is a pro-war republican message board, so you really won't find some opposition to these mindless posts.

Posted by: sputnikx at March 27, 2003 09:23 PM

WIDOW...there are hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis who were and ARE CURRENTLY being murdered by Saddam's regime that would have loved the eventual liberation of Iraq and establishment of democracy, had they lived to see it too! Get a freaking clue!!

Posted by: prostock69 at March 27, 2003 10:00 PM

sputnikx "...only popular rants - same as George W. Bush - empty phrases and a few rally around the flag, clapping your own back slogans. And everybody screams Heil Bush!"

What the heck do you call:

"No war for oil"
"No blood for oil"
"Impeach Bush"

Are those deeply intelligent, thought provoking statements??

Maybe some of us come to this site to get away from the endless dribble coming from our TV sets and our local papers that endlessly parade people protesting and spewing those same lines over and over again.

Posted by: Sick of Stupid People at March 27, 2003 10:43 PM

Charles Rangle was just on Hannity and colmes. I have more respect, and use for, what I flush down my toilet everyday. This little man, (hate to use that word decribing this loser), is a disgusting example of what happens when people of his ilk, migrate to a certain area, then vote, FILTH of his kind, into elected office. The bright part of this is, he is only, one of eleven who didn't vote to support Our Troops, and Our President,WHILE AT WAR, and hopefully, some, OR all of them will be voted out of office in the next election! Some Veteran he is! As an Honorably Discharged Veteran I say, I am ashamed of HIS service!!! Timothy McVey was a Veteran too. thank God, there are few like these two!!!

Posted by: I AM THE WALRUS at March 27, 2003 10:52 PM

Trainor and McCaffrey are trying to defend thier lack of finishing things in the last Gulf War by making this one look bad. McCaffrey especially is a blowhard- he hates Rummy and the emphasis on special operating forces.

As for Rangel, Hannity humiliated him with the truth and stripped bare Charlies stupidity - showed him to be either a liar or an ignoramous. As to Rangle's service, what was he, a cook? I cannot believe the people in his district send someone like that to represent them in Washington.

What a scumbag.

Posted by: OldSpook at March 27, 2003 11:25 PM

"is the opposition all out protesting in the streets?"

Yep, the peace terrorists are all out lying in the streets or beating up old ladies or vomiting.

I wonder if Israel could lend us the Pancake Girl bulldozer. It would be rather useful right now to scrape the slime off the streets of NY and SF and give the streets back to garbage and bums (a significant upgrade, by the way).

Posted by: Opeth at March 28, 2003 12:21 AM

Old Spook. If you go to Charlie (Isn't that what we called the enemy during Nam) Rangle's web site, his bio says he received a purple heart. You made me think, when you asked if he was a cook, about the story that I'm sure a lot of Vet's heard, about the cook, in Viet Nam, who got a piece of egg shell in his eye, and received a PH for shell fragment in eye! I always thought the story made up, BUT, if Rangle got a PH, the story was about him, or he got shot in the butt, running from the enemy!

BTW, a couple of hours ago, the Lt Col, Marine Commander, who Rick Leventhal of Fox is embedded with, politely, (More so than I would have), shot back at these 'has been' Generals, analists, that have been critisizing Our Troops efforts. He basically told them, This is not Desert Storm, this is OUR battle! Come on over boys, we'll make a place for you! Can't wait to hear the 'Armchair Generals' answer that!!!

Posted by: I AM THE WALRUS at March 28, 2003 03:20 AM

THIS JUST IN:

BLIX AND BILL CLINTON'S MOTHERS BOTH TOOK TOO MUCH ASPIRIN DURING PREGNANCIES.


(Bill and Blix now in 6th grade.)

"What color is this white wall, Bill?"
"Uhhh black. And by the way, I did not have sex with that woman."
"And for your question, Blix.If you were a soldier in Iraq, what would you do upon seeing a brown hazy cloud and smelling garlic?"
"Uhhhhh, tell the other guys to break out the pickles for the hamburgers??"

Posted by: birdie at March 28, 2003 04:19 AM

Eggman: My question is; why is the "liberal" point of view being posted so weak?

Eggman: It seems that the alternative debate here is pretty limp...or is the opposition all out protesting in the streets?

Sputnikx: there is only frenchman, Bexel and I...

Bill Terwilliger: Sputty!!! Shut up!!! I can't believe you just stepped right into that!!!!You set us back everything we've gained the past couple days!!!!
The committee gives you the first grade of F- ever!
Buy a clue!!!!!!

Posted by: Bill Terwilliger at March 28, 2003 04:35 AM

Anyone see that news report on fox last night where that female anchor was interviewing via sat-phone one of their correspondents? She stated that Blix had stated that he doubts we will find any WMD in Iraq and then she asked the correspondent if he saw anything to the contrary. He stated that Marine intelligence had seen at numerous locations Iraqis in full chemical weapons gear unloading drums of an unkown substance. It created quite a stir in the newsroom when he said that!

Goes to show we can't trust the UN and inspectors from Iraq (Blix is an Iraqi right? oh wait, he is only on their payroll, sorry I forgot!)

Posted by: Justin at March 28, 2003 11:53 AM

Justin, yeah and I just heard that SH ** had a conference, on TV, with a biological weapons expert. Guess they took a page from Michael Moore's ficticiuos speech to prepare themselves against ficticious CBW attacks.

And Blix was put into his post by France. The US nominated a sicentist from Belgium (i think)We were against him. Go Figure.

Posted by: Pooke at March 28, 2003 12:18 PM

Pooke,
It just shows that it is all politics. Blixie was put in by the French and payed off by the French. Those inspections were a load of crap and we all knew it.

Why can't everyone put down the economical self-interest for a little while and do something good? These people should be free and we should be freed from the threat of nuclear/chemical/biological terrorism!

I've been watching "24" and to see what a nuclear bomb could do to a city is astounding. I also saw a program on the history channel that said if 200lbs of weapons grade anthrax was showered over a city (using a UAV etc) the casualties could be 1-2 million (assuming it is a city like NYC, LA etc). I'm sorry, a few dead Iraqis is worth world security (and the N.Koreans are next unless they wise up, Iranians also...etc)

Posted by: Justin at March 28, 2003 01:10 PM

man Bill Terwilliger you should work on your anger-management and I actually give a [hoot] what the comittee says.
There are no gains to make with the bunch of tÍte-carrÈes on here, so just say what you want and beeing for the troops but against war doesn't work.

What do you think the troops do? Bake biscuits in the dessert heat? They are waging war, so you are either against war or not, but you can't have it both ways. Beeing patriotic has nothing to do with supporting troops in an unjust war. If you can't freely express your opinion without beeing brand-marked a traitor in the US, then I must assume your current regime is not much better than that of Saddam Hussein.

Sputnikx

Posted by: sputnikx at March 28, 2003 01:35 PM

to all of you:
Hans Blix is one of the most respected people in the world. You making silly jokes about him without even knowing anything shows just what a bunch of intelligent people you are - but oh yeah I forgot your self-proclaimed leader is George W. Bush after all, who looks like a 3 year old toddler when speaking after Tony Blair. So I would shut up if i were you.

Sputnikx

Posted by: sputnikx at March 28, 2003 01:40 PM

Sputi,
how about the fact that yesterday he said that Iraq does not have WMD and our marines witnessed iraqis in full chemical gear unloading drums of chemicals. Russian rounds were also found that could be used to launch chemical rounds.

That in our minds makes Blix and idiot and we all saw through his actions how he tried to hide some findings (the uav rigged for chem warfare buried in a long report)...

Please tell us how this war is unjust and we will see if your argument stands up.

Posted by: Justin at March 28, 2003 02:00 PM

Sputnix, we know nothing, except that China, France and Russia abstained on resolution 1284 creating UNMOVIC. They didnít even want the inspections to continue! But after it was created, France nominated Blix after it, China and Russia rejected the Secretary-General's original nomination of former UNSCOM Executive Chairman Rolf Ekeus. America and Britain endorsed Koffi Annanís choice, but Russia's UN Ambassador, Sergei Lavrov, told Annan that Moscow opposed because they wanted a ìnew beginningî.

Now you tell me where Blix doesnít owe these guys something. They are the ones who put him in power, and have been in bed with Iraq for years.

Posted by: Lucy at March 28, 2003 02:33 PM

Lucy,
shame on you, we are supposed to know nothing about the man... now go uneducate yourself so you can follow sputum's rationale!

Posted by: Justin at March 28, 2003 03:05 PM

to Lucy,

Hans Blix has a Ph.D in law and has served for 20 years in the Swedish government and the Swedish UN delegation.

He was director General of the international Atomic agency until 1997. If this doesn't make him a good candidate for this post than I am surprised. Rolf Ekeus (also Swedish) is equaly qualified, but he was even a second choice for Kofi Annan.

Even under biased Amercian and Russian standards, Sweden qualifies as a neutral country. Also he got voted unanimously by the Security Council including a vote from the US, so I don't really see the point of him beeing a Russian/French puppet.

Sputnikx

Posted by: sputnikx at March 28, 2003 03:42 PM

Sputi,
He is either a french/russian puppet or just an idiot. Look at his record as an inspector. I understand he was put in a hard position, but he should not downplay findings or not report them to avoid war. He kept saying that they were cooperating more and more. He failed to see that they know they were caught so they would say: "hey, we found a couple things that were overlooked", when in reality they were hiding something else. The Iraqis bugged their residences and knew where they were going. That makes it awfully hard to find something when you gave them 24-72 hours to move the stuff.

Look at the evidence and you will see, or just make s!*@ up and do everything in your power to believe it!

Posted by: Justin at March 28, 2003 05:00 PM

Spitandcoff,

Sweden - Neutral? All the evil dictators and corrupt politicians in the world have put their ill-gotten gains in Swedish banks. No better place than the banks of Sweden.Hitler had his own checking account. I understand they even gave away free lampshades. Yea right,they are really neutral.How moronic...

Now I know you speak with no substanative reason. You gender the facts to fit your arguments, while using cut and paste to no logical abandonment. Liberal minds are definitely a waste of space - too bad we can't store our old rubber tires in their heads.It wouldn't shut them up - but at least we would solve a major ecological problem.

Posted by: Harden Stuhl at March 28, 2003 05:01 PM

Sweden and Switzerland always try and stay out of the way. Their wishy washy demeanor is scary and you just cant trust them. Pacifist governments cannot be trusted.

Posted by: Justin at March 28, 2003 05:07 PM

Harden stuhl:

Swedish bank accounts? Maybe you mean Switzerland - but what do you know, they both start with S and are in Europe, so it's probably all the same.

Sputnikx

Posted by: sputnikx at March 28, 2003 06:39 PM

Spitprickz, -------Sweden---Ya, Isn't dat ver Wally Walrus iz frum?

Hans---respected? I guess if you take enough drugs, (pretty plentiful in good old sweden), you will respect any old lying, piece of s@#t! Blix respected, that's the best one I've heard since some lib said, "Helen Thomas is one of the most respected White House journalists ever!" Hee Hee!!!

Posted by: sputnikx-punker at March 28, 2003 06:45 PM

spatter,

even the man who had been Blix's superior for 20+ years got on TV and said Blix was not qualified to do the job - reason being, he stated in diplomatic terms, Blix didn't have the cojones.

I watched every single report Blix gave to the UN Security Council and the bald fact is, Blix couldn't - wouldn't - say the words "Iraq has not completely, fully and immediately disarmed" even thought that was the fact.

Let's pretend we're in a court of American law. You are on the witness stand and are charged, under oath, to answer Yes or No. I am the attorney for the prosecution and I ask you...

Do you deny that 1441 demanded

1. complete
2. full
3. immediate

disarmament by Iraq? Further, do you deny that
Iraq FAILED to disarm

1. completely
2. fully
3. immediately

as per UN Resolution 1441?

Does Blix, with his PhD, not know the meaning of the word "immediate"? How about "fully" or "completely"? Do those words have a different meaning in Swedish?

Are you a decent enough person to admit this simple truth or are you prepared only to argue tangetially?

THIS IS A TEST. THIS IS ONLY A TEST. FAILURE TO ANSWER YES OR NO TO THESE DIRECT QUESTIONS WILL BRAND YOU AS A PRETENDER TO INTELLIGENT LIFE.

Posted by: AHA at March 28, 2003 10:36 PM

Spitandrinse,

I beg your pardon. I stand by my conclusions. You were mentioning Sweden being neutral. We weren't even talikng about Switzerland. I also mentioned Hitlers checking account.But you can include Switzerland also if it makes your ego bigger than it already is. If you are going to carry on a dialog at least refer correctly to the topic of discussion.

#1 (Just in case you don't get it?)
In the case of countries known for very costly government run social programs and high taxation as well, such as Sweden, bank accounts owned by foreigners enjoy tax-free interest. In addition, in this very same country whereby the banks are required to deduct government tax (with regards to interest earned) directly from the citizens account and send it along to the government tax offices, these foreign owned accounts are not even included in the bankís computer generated reports. So here we have a case whereby bank accounts owned by foreigners are not even disclosed to the local government, when extensive reporting of accounts owned by itís own citizens is the normal course of action. The "point" is, Sweden is not a ìtax-havenî by any stretch of the imagination, but for criminals and brutal dictators, it could be with respect to tax-free banking (and their accounts, as a foreign owned account, is not even reported to the local government authorities).
It isn't even untill recently illegal to take a bribe in Sweden..... Have you heard of the World Bank and " The Dam Scandals?"

Look Here:
http://www.irn.org/programs/safrica/pr990804.html

Monies flew through just about every bank in Europe including Sweden.

#2
Co-Opting Nazi Germany: Neutrality in Europe During World War II
By Jonathan Petropoulos

You can find it here -
http://www.adl.org/Braun/dim_14_1_neutrality_europe.asp

Synopsis-
It is time for Switzerland, Sweden, Portugal and Spain to acknowledge that there were no truly neutral countries on the European continent during World War II. It is now time for those four nations to acknowledge that they were part of the Nazis' New Order and that they bear some responsibility for the tragic history of the Thirties and Forties.

Here is another article:

You can find the articlhttp://www.socialequality.org.uk/iw/236/12a236.htme here:

Synopsis-
The Swedish National Bank also profited from the Nazi's stolen gold. From 1939 to March 1944 Sweden bought 34,564 kilograms of gold from the Reichsbank. In return, Sweden supplied Germany with a multitude of materials, including 35 million tons of iron ore. Gold was also exchanged for Swedish currency, which could be traded internationally. At America's insistence, following the end of the war Sweden handed back approximately 13,000 kilograms of gold to the national banks of Belgium and Holland, whose assets had been seized by the Nazis.


#3
I could go on and on but frankly you bore me - I give you this one for free just because I am hoping you will become less of a moron.You might notice their racist savings plan. I don't think they give away free toasters. But they probably laugh at the Paki's as the leave to Strasse.

Nordea Bank is owned by Swedes and all over the Euro now.

SWEDEN ñ Nordea
Nordea bank has been charging double for currency transactions in some immigrant heavy areas of Stockholm and in Sˆdert‰lje. Instead of charging the 110 kroner the bank charges for currency transactions elsewhere, it charges 220 kroner. The bankís spokesman says that the bank will now stop a practice which has been accused of being racist.

Also, there is no S in Switzerland you idiot it is pronounced ZWITSERLAND.By the way, my Father is from Sverige (Sweden). I have been there many times and I can even find it on a map. Your assumptions that everyone here is American explains your agenda. Liberal propagandist! What a Smorgasbord of useless information you are.

en ar en riktig forlorare

Posted by: Harden Stuhl at March 29, 2003 02:44 AM

I know a fast way to get Baghdad to surrender, give the chemical weapons that we find to the Kurds and let them at it. That would be justice.

Is "Harden Stuhl" a joke name?

Posted by: B52oBaghdad at March 29, 2003 02:50 AM

Yes, it's for giggles. It does seem like a few of the liberals here, have that problem though. I even laugh at the newstories - not just the comments by people like Sputnutcoff. Scott is a funny guy.

Posted by: Harden Stuhl at March 29, 2003 03:25 AM

Harden - you ROCK!

Posted by: AHA at March 29, 2003 08:12 AM

HardenStuhk
I think you probably need a fisted pounding but my family has a fortune in Swedish banks. We have free toaster in every palace! Hit yourself for me! I Ooglay command it!!!

Posted by: Ooglay Hussein at March 29, 2003 12:00 PM

"I hate George Bush, he is worse than you" said, sputnikx as he went feet first into Saddams shredder.

eggman...

The left doesn't have a valid argument anywhere.
You see and hear the same stuff everywhere you look. When the facts are against them, they talk loud. It's just that on ScappleFace contrasted to some common sense... it looks pathetically trite.

Making an accusation is easy... even the French can do that, but defending and argument? Now that is different.

Posted by: Phrog Poet at March 29, 2003 04:19 PM

Just chipping in for Kazakhstan Central space control facility. Their phone is nor working just now. They send their apologies for any inconvenience caused so far.

Sputnik's got on the wrong orbit. Needs some reprogramming. Will take a while, sorry for the delay. Sputnik is not yet precision-guided but we're working on it.

One of Sputnik's memory banks is on the fritz. Hence his inability to remember that many Norwegian hold Swedes for cowards due to their very shady neutrality during World War II. Norway fought the nazi to the bitter end.

Posted by: nosingaround at March 29, 2003 05:16 PM

Dr. Harden M.I. Stuhl, M.D
Director of Clinical Studies
Keloggs Hope for Liberals Hopital
Battle Creek , Michigan

Scrappleface Readers,

Please don't feel the anguish of a personal attack directed at you specifically, by many of the liberals posting on this board.

Many Doctors with impressive medical degress, have now come to the conclusion, that liberals don't know how to laugh! The medical community if truth be told, gave up on their hopeless,incurable condition a long time ago.

Many of our clinical studies have shown that this comes from an unstable mental condition. A conditon caused from some child development issues.

They are born miserable - and they die miserable.

Some of their symptoms include, always wanting to laugh at opposing political positions, but never having the ability to laugh at themselves.Quite often they complain that their opponents have a lack of tolerence. The same tolerence, that they themselves, have never,been able to display.They also can't seem to carry on a conversation without being angry. This quite often brings in topics of conversations that never happened, allowing them to place blame on everyone but themselves. They also like to profess intellectual superiority ,when as Doctors we all know, what really comes to the surface,is a lack of social development skills. This lack of skills came about, from their sparse and dysfuntional childhoods.They carry this over into their adult years, never learning the coping and relationship skills necessary for living in a democracy.


Eventually because of their diseased minds, they can't support a normal sense of reality, and they move to France or (French) Canada to carry out their acts of physiological, non-defiance. All the time, drawn by the rotting smell of their similarly brain diseased bretheren,eventually showing latent stages of the disease that turns them into "beret wearing socialists". I won't be able to get into the specific afflictions that they display at this stage of the disease. I will have to address it at some later date.

Finally, not willing to heal themselves will the proper conservative couselling, that would help them, find the rational approach to life. They will eventually fall asleep, to the dark blank realities of mental coma, and paralysis.

Even to this very day, many clinical phycologists are believing,that is why they feel the necessity to hopelessly march, in protest groups. This apparently fills their needs for the family structure. In essence, you could say they are looking for their mother, their father, their brother, or their little dog Fidel. Many of them feel the need to create some type of village atmosphere, where they feel the need to help indoctrinate and educate all their children with their own sick malady. Many of the worst victims can be heard to say things, like "It takes a village to raise a child", not realizing they are showing signs of the seriousness of their condition.How sad,how pathetic..., how angry.

Yet to them, this is their reality.

Remember the movie "The Bad Seed"? The little girl in that movie,while surely a fictional character,is probably the closest represention of what we in the medical profession are now calling "The liberal dysfuntional syndrome".

Remember, what you are dealing with is a sick diseased mind incaple of showing any tolerence, compassion or validity of reason. What this means to you and many others who disagree with them,is that we need to show them all , compassion, humanity and remember when we talk to them, that they are also very stupid.

Sincerely,

Dr.Harden Stuhl

MD,DDS,PhD,Mostly BS,Microsoft Certified

Posted by: Dr. Harden Stuhl at March 29, 2003 05:57 PM

Ooglay Hussein,
Understanding that you have evolved from the demon seed we like to call your mother Saddam. I must respect you and your brothers ability to order from Staples the worlds largest paper shredder. While hoping not to offend the kind people who post here, and not to propagate the sickness of your ability to use it. I hope you and your mother fall in it.

I and my brethern " The McDonalds Freedom Fighters" are in the process of ordering the worlds biggest stapler,and plan to close the mouths of you and your mother Saddam's oppressive/thug regime once and for all.

And for the sake of the liberal postors that come to this board we plan to buy it from IKEA, a neutral company, eh... sputnikx?

Posted by: Harden Stuhl at March 29, 2003 06:14 PM

Esteemed Dr. Harden Stuhl

The faculty cannot but agree with you.

The subliminal strains induced by potty-training in the early stages of development might over time come into conflict with the gregarious impulse later observed in semi-mature subjects. Hence the debilitating behaviour often attributed to the sole factor of inbreeding by early researchers confronted with a Californian strain of "homo flagburning libero sapiens"

Posted by: nosingaround at March 29, 2003 06:22 PM

Harden:

I would be very interested in some sources concerning accounts owned by foreigners in Swedish banks. The reason is I simply think you've confounded the activity Swedish banks conduct abroad with their work in their domestic market.
Concerning the passage about bribes, you are simply wrong. Bribes have been interdicted since the early "Vastgotalag" in the 15th century. The law has of course been changed and amended since then, but that is no reason for saying it hasn't existed.

I would like to add that the behavior of the Swedish government during WWII hardly can be defended, but this does not justify spreading lies and desinformation.

Posted by: evil empire at March 29, 2003 06:51 PM

I am glad to see so many of my medical constituency are here. I have found that Dr. Stuhl is probably one of the leading experts in the field of ìLiberal Dysfunctional Syndromeî as it is known in all the major medical journals. I concur wholeheartedly with his diagnosis and have even personally felt the strain of a disease that continues to become more prevalent in modern day society.

I recently lost my sister to this dreaded disease. She is now a permanent patient of the George Putnam Treatment Center in Flushing, New York. I don't wish to garner sympathy for my families plight but I would like to at least share some of the signs that become more prevalent as their condition gets worse. Perhaps this will benefit others:

1.) Liberals suddenly become mentally jaundiced - a state of feeling in which views are prejudiced or judgment is distorted, as by envy or resentment. They become scatterbrained and devoid of all sense of reality.

2.)Liberals develop a type of hemolytic brain anemia - an anemic condition characterized by the destruction of red blood cells in the brain, vital for proper hand to eye coordination: also quite often seen in certain infectious and hereditary disorders and known in layman terms as simplethought-itus, or being simply French. This can causes them to proliferate obsessively from the mouth making them hard to understand.

3.) Development of Foot ñ in- Mouth disease is quite common ñ this highly contagious disease almost exclusive to Women from N.O.W, Sheep, Liberal Democrats from the East coast,parts of South Dakota, Weapons Inspectors,Hollywood Actors, Biased Media, U.N Council Members,and other cloven-hoofed animals. It is caused by a virus that was identified in 1897. Among its symptoms are fever, loss of appetite and weight gain, ridiculous statements, lack of restraint in public, and blisters on the mucous membranes, especially those of the mouth, feet, and udder. Discharge from the blisters is heavily infected with the virus, as are saliva, milk, urine, and other secretions. This is commonly misunderstood as commenting or making a point.Thus the disease is readily spread by contact; by contaminated food, water, soil, or other propagandous materials; or through the air at Democratic conventions. Conservatives, who seldom contract the disease, may be carriers, as may rats, dogs, birds, wild animals, and frozen meats.

4.)Quarantine, slaughter and complete disposal of infected animals, Women from N.O.W.,and disinfection of contaminated material, are prescribed to limit contagion. Most liberals refuse an effective treatment.Which is the saddest part of the disease. With vaccines, introduced in 1938, and sanitary controls, foot-in-mouth disease has been excluded or eliminated from most of Middle America, Israel,parts of England and Canada, Japan, and parts of Australia; and occurrences have become even more infrequent in Great Britain and parts of continental Europe in recent years. The disease persists through much of Asia, Africa, and South America the Middle East and Hollywood.

sincerely,

Dr. I.M. Learned
James Hopkins Hospital
Great Plains, New York

Posted by: Dr. I.M. Learned at March 30, 2003 11:51 PM

evil empire,

Quote:The reason is I simply think you've confounded the activity Swedish banks conduct abroad with their work in their domestic market.


The funniest part of your statement is the implication "that Swedish Banks conduct abroad" doesn't fall into the same category as their domestic market. Financial crime is financial crime no matter what the kronar amount.

Quote "Bribes have been interdicted since the early "Vastgotalag" in the 15th century. The law has of course been changed and amended since then, but that is no reason for saying it hasn't existed."

In regards to my comments "It isn't even untill recently, illegal to take a bribe in Sweden", I said them in the tone of being satirical. I thought this was a satirical news site. I didn't relize (realise) that you came here for all your banking information. In hindsite,I am perhaps guilty of being vague. I don't think your comments about spreading lies and desinformation (disinformation) are totally accurate or fair.

You will have to call the banks and get your own account nubers and sources. I don't do other peoples homework.I am sure they will be real forthcoming with the information though. Oh look I am being vague again.

I won't even tell you that you can go to Spain, get a false I.D., return to Sweden and open a account and that the bank won't report your account to the Swedish government for tax purposes. It wouldn't be ethical.To the best of my recollection nefarious people still do things like that.I could be wrong.I admit the laws are getting tougher.

I know that even though you believe they have interdicted the bribery laws since the early "Vastgotalag" in the 15th century. It has been only recently that they have actually and ardently been enforced. Probably because of the German Gold that was tucked away so serendipitously. Some people do that for sake of a good conscious, others want to buy a lot of banks in third world developing countries.

I would suggest in the future you try to get all your banking information from places like the Wall Steet Journal, Forbes Magazine, etc,. You get the idea.

Posted by: Harden Stuhl at April 1, 2003 02:44 PM

Linnea Johnson of Lipton is correct in saying that Natalie Maines can exercise her right to critize our President. I spent 22 years in the military making sure she had that right. I have the right to boycott Lipton products for sponsoring any production that I don't agree with. I also spent 22 years in the military to make sure that I have that right.

Posted by: David Wakeman at April 10, 2003 09:23 AM

To all you idiots out there who were against the war and who are still against us being there. i got one thing to say. You are all a bunch of lilly livered yellow-bellied cry babies. You are too afraid to fight for the country that has allowed you to have more than any other country would have. You don't like what we(the military) do? You don't like the freedoms you have? you don't like having a comfortable life without restraints on religion, speech, press, and the right to bear arms? Well then here is a news flash straight from the military itself. MOVE OUT OF THE USA OR PICK UP A RIFLE AND MEET US ON THE BATTLE FIELDS IN IRAQ.

Posted by: wargod at August 15, 2003 12:39 PM
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