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Hamas Greets Carter with Gift of 'Traditional Vest'

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(2008-04-15) — Jimmy Carter’s Middle East mission of peace got off to a “promising start“, the former U.S. president said, as he returned today from meeting with prominent Hamas member Nasser al-Shaer, wearing what he called, “a lovely traditional ceremonial vest” that the Nobel laureate received as a gift from Mr. al-Shaer.

Returning to Jerusalem after the session, Mr. Carter toured a crowded marketplace wearing the snug vest which he said “must be made of some kind of expensive, heavy fabric.”

Asked if he planned further talks with Hamas, Mr. Carter said, “Yes. In fact, I expect they’ll call me soon to trigger the next round.”

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  • 1 Fred Sinclair // Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 am


    Heirborn Ranger

    p.s. Perhaps in the spirit of goodwill and environmentally friendly re-cycling; Mr. nut farmer can make a present of his present to the would be DNC nominee of his choice?

  • 2 woodnwheel // Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 am


    Scott, you’re on a roll today!

    wv: naral money — oh the things I could say about this one!

  • 3 Macman // Apr 15, 2008 at 10:23 am

    I think my post got et!
    Oh well he’s still an amazing piece of work, good god, this guy is an imbecile!

  • 4 woodnwheel // Apr 15, 2008 at 10:25 am

    Darn you, Fred! ;)

  • 5 Fred Sinclair // Apr 15, 2008 at 11:12 am

    woodnwheel #4 - I’ve been worse than darned (shucks my Mama usta darn my sox) but worse than darned, once I was condemned, lost and hopeless - then along came Jesus and thanks to Him having paid the price, (for I was bought with a price) I’m free. Now having been saved by grace through faith, darned ain’t all that bad.

    Heirborn Ranger

    WV -Rafael deserts - tsk, tsk, shamey, shamey on him

  • 6 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 15, 2008 at 11:19 am

    This photo captures the very core of why Carter REEKS of traitorousness.
    What a sorry [bleepity-bleep-bleep].

  • 7 gafisher // Apr 15, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Here comes the O’bomba endorsement.

    wv - work Steelers - Bitter illiterate midwesterners’ term for undocumented immigrants.

  • 8 upnorthlurkin // Apr 15, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    JL3, I had to laugh at the Israeli version of the secret service refusing to meet with Jimmah’s security people. What a total tool! I’m off peanuts…..they obviously cause insanity! He does however, make BO and Mrs. Bill Clinton look fairly competent! Uff da!

  • 9 gafisher // Apr 15, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Considering how the Nobel Prize was funded, it’s hard to imagine anything more appropriate.

  • 10 Fred Sinclair // Apr 15, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    JL3rd #6 - Wouldn’t this come under the condemnation of giving “aid and comfort to the enemy”???

    Bottom of the article sums it up nicely:

    The former president and his wife Rosalynn Carter laid a wreath on the tomb of late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat in Ramallah. The wreath bore the words: ?President and Mrs Carter.? ?

    And Mr. Carter wonders why the Israelis don?t want him going into Gaza?

    Or at least he pretends to.

    The day will come (and is drawing near) when his (Jimmy’s) knee will bow and he will confess that Jesus is Lord.

    The same Jesus he ‘claims’ to worship, he will have to answer for his support of things anti-Christ.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 11 everthink // Apr 15, 2008 at 12:44 pm


    Re: Your post #3

    “I think my post got et!
    Oh well he’s still an amazing piece of work, good god, this guy is an imbecile!”

    Are you talking about me? If so; sorry, I haven’t read it. Where can I find it.

    So you’re saying I’m an like an amazing imbecile, are you? Kinda hard for me to imagine that!


  • 12 Fred Sinclair // Apr 15, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    I never bet money, but I can speculate for free. Currently I’m speculating on the price of gasoline.

    What will be the price that breaks the camel’s back? Will it be $10.00 a gallon or $25.00 a gallon? Perhaps $50.00 a gallon or maybe $100.00 a gallon?

    When will the people finally cry ENOUGH and several thousand meet for a march on the Sierra Club, Headquarters the Friends of Animals Headquarters - PETA headquarters, etc. with torches to burn those places to the ground?

    How many people will pay $100.00 for a gallon of gasoline to avoid drilling for the oil in ANWAR, in Colorado, Wyoming, the Dakotas, etc, the sand and shale oil deposits are there in the trillions of barrels. Methinks it may require a march on the Congress to let them know that catering and kowtowing to the eco-freaks is not where their votes lie.

    If I was a betting man, I’d bet on the $25.00 mark, as an eighteen gallon tank will require $450.00 for a fill-up.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 13 Possumtrot // Apr 15, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    Mistah Jimmy’s my homeboy, but at this point in his rogue political career, I have only this offering: May the fleas of a thousand camels infest his beard, and may all his children be born naked.

    All the latent racism in the world never embarrassed me about being from Georgia, but darned if this guy doesn’t do it every time.

    Talk about being “angry and bitter” (and doesn’t that story have legs, as they say in the news business?) Jimmy makes me want to take my rifle and Bible and crawl up onto the local water tower so’s I can start picking people off.

    Mr. Peanut never met a terrorist or dictator he didn’t like. I can’t speak for every Georgian, but I apologize for the jackass. We aren’t all that messed up.

  • 14 gafisher // Apr 15, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Fred Re#12: With Diesel fuel now well over $4.00 a gallon the problem is going to show up on store shelves before it affects the supermarket parking lot. Diesel fuel also means buses (hello Mass Transit) and airlines (jet fuel is diesel).

    Marching on the Sierra Club is pointless; what we need to do is clean up Congress and get the free market back in balance so that OPEC can’t charge $100+ per barrel for crude just because they want to. For all the Barbara Streisand we’ve heard about Bush and Cheney driving up oil prices, it’s people like Kennedy and Kerry who’ve hurt us the most.

  • 15 Hawkeye // Apr 15, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Interest in those vests will be “exploding”. Sales will be “sky high”. Everyone will just get a “bang” out of ‘em… :wink:

    upon voyage — to meet 70 Virginians.

  • 16 Fred Sinclair // Apr 15, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    gafisher # 14 -the fruitcake eco nuts are what is keeping Congress from authorizing the drilling. I mentioned Congress but right now it’s spotted owls and darter snails and fruitcakes that is gumming up the Congress.

    The oil companies need to reinvest their earnings in several new refineries and drilling new wells.

    Heirborn Ranger

    From Mallard Fillmore Comic today:

    THE BAD NEWS: The average American will work from Jan 1 until April 23 this year just to pay his or her Federal, State, and Local Taxes!

    THE WORSE NEWS: Some people still don’t think we pay enough in taxes!

    THE WORST NEWS? At least two of them are running for President….

  • 17 upnorthlurkin // Apr 15, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Fred - ssshhhhh - we’ve been and will continue to drill and pump here in the “Dakotas”! The problem of course, we only have one refinery….and it’s an old one. There’s already talk of a second now that they’ve leaked the secret of the millions of gallons we’re sitting on up here.

  • 18 Fred Sinclair // Apr 15, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    As Rush said today the Islamofascists aren’t our No. 1 enemy, they’re honest, they just want to kill anybody who ain’t them. Our No. 1 enemy is the liberals of today - aka The Socialists; who don’t necessarily want to kill us outright, they just want to ensnare America in the bonds of slavery, ala New Orleans.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 19 boberinyetagain // Apr 15, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Ah Fred, the lure of oil on Alaska, when will that myth end?

    The US burns 20 million barrels of oil per day for gasoline (in all it’s uses) That’s not diesel or heating, it’s gasoline.

    The suspected contents of ANWR are about 11 billion barrels. The math suggests that if we were to dig up the whole place and drill out all the oil that we’d be rolling in gasoline for about 550 days, a fair bit shy of 2 years. Do you really thing the price of gas would come down?
    Get real…dig up and burn everyone else’s oil, leave our 550 days worth where it is until it’s the last. Then we can truly rule the world or die trying to keep them away from “our” oil!

  • 20 boberinyetagain // Apr 15, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    And McCain and his brilliant plan to drop/eliminate the tax on gas. Moron! Him and George do seem to have lots in common. Lets eliminate all federal taxes and everyone can just fend for themselves. A bake sale for road upkeep. I’m sure that would be well recieved and our infrastructure would be tip top in no time. All so we can drive a hummer 2 blocks to buy some smokes for a few pennies less. Brilliant, truly ground breaking….

  • 21 Possumtrot // Apr 15, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Has anybody seen or heard from “Marge in MI” lately? She dropped completely off the UPI radar, and the last two subscription notices bounced. I ain’t the sharpest pencil in the jar, but I notice such things after a while.

    BTW, Happy Tax Day! Raise your hands and assume the position; picking your pocket will only take a moment, and you you won’t feel a thing as long as you cooperate. Otherwise, be reminded that as lawfully sworn agents of the federal government, we’re doing this at gunpoint, and resistance may lead to serious injury. You have the right to shut up and pony up, etc. etc. Otherwise, we’ll kill you where you stand.

    If anyone has a lead on Marge and wants to offer a clue, I’d be grateful. Otherwise, clean the dust and dead moths out of your wallets from this year’s pocket-picking, and wait until next year when Osama Bamalama raises your taxes by several degrees of magnitude.

  • 22 boberinyetagain // Apr 15, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    Whoever is next will be stuck raising taxes to make up for the loans we are taking out for war and do nothing tax “rebates” now…get used to it!

    to infringing…i’ll drink to that!

  • 23 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 15, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    The President-to-be:
    Please, whatever you do, don’t lower taxes and decrease spending.
    Thank you

    By the way, here’s the Truth (AP):

    Republican Sen. John McCain on Tuesday called for a summer-long suspension of the federal gasoline tax…..

    This is McCain’s web site quoting Business Week:

    Republican Presidential candidate John McCain calls for a suspension of federal gas taxes from Memorial Day to Labor Day, plus a simpler tax code

  • 24 Fred Sinclair // Apr 15, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Bobby you’re sooooo silly! Without your fruitcake comments, SF would be a lot duller.

    Please don’t ever leave us for some other blog. Without you and e.t. I don’t know what we’d do. (probably lots)

    We’d probably have to break in some new idiot and we’d have to waste time making fun of him since he wouldn’t be as good at making a fool of himself like you and e.t. do so verry well.

    Your recent posts surely should qualify for a place on the new show, “American Idiot”. You’d be a sure winner.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 25 Darthmeister // Apr 15, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    I bet Jimmah is having a real blast handing out group hugs to Hamas. Don’t forget to send a tax deductible check to Jimmah’s new foundation for preace in the Middle East: Hugs For Hamas, Inc..

  • 26 onlineanalyst // Apr 15, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Will Jimmuh Catarrh (*spit*) soon be wearing one of those snappy Palestinian scarves next?)

    Re oil: The latest scientific thinking is that oil itself is a renewable energy source that bubbles from the inner core of the earth. Some wells that were once considered depleted/dry are again producing.

    Consider also that the Chinese are drilling off the coast of Cuba, not far from our own shores. You can be sure that the Chinese are not as ecologically sound in their practices as our own oil industry has become over the decades.

    North Dakota and another state (can’t recall) have vast fields of shale from which oil can be recovered more cheaply these days.

    A huge natural gas reserve source across a number of states from New York through PA and WV is being developed as we speak.

    Let’s see how soon the do-gooder eco-nuts put a kibbosh to these energy independence elements.

    You want a laugh on Extortion Day (April 15)? Go to and click on the video of the young man confronting the Tedster about how his family trusts and foundations keep him from paying his fair share of taxes, especially estate taxes.

    Off to another meeting…

  • 27 Darthmeister // Apr 15, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Ms RightWing, have you heard from your frens Aunt Sarah and Uncle Willie lately about Messiah Obama’s new found love and respect for the people of Appalachia? Here’s a letter I received from my cousin Billy Bob Kincaid.

    Deer Hank,

    When I gots wind of how hiz majesty Barack Osama Obama viewed the poor white folk hear in Pencilvainya as bitter an’ dependin’ two much on gunz an’ religion, it set me a thinkin’ fer a cupler days.

    Finally I thoughts to myself: Self, how come does Mr. Obama in his infinite wisdom and sensotivity perceive us white folk here in Pencilvainya as little more than corncob smokin’, gun-totin’, cousin-pokin’ morons? Why iz that?

    Then I figures it out, the man must be a sufferin’ mightily frum a bad case of projection cents its purty clear to peeple like me it has actually been Dimmercrats on his side of the aisle that has a been all bitter and angry and little more than hatemongers the last seven years - an’ it doesn’t look like it’s gonna end any time soon neither!

    In fact, I’m startin’ to believe if’n Mr. Osama’s Obama’s followers can’t get him nominated by hook or by crook, they’d just about wood vote fer Lucifer himself if he had a “D” behind his name. I mean, they uns must think feel John McCain is a far right-wing fanatical kinda of feller given how their’s attitudes abruptly changed toward the poor man despite their earlier ballyhooin’ of his “maverick” status. All becuz he caught the Republikan nomination, I supposin’.

    But the one thang I must say ’bout those highly edukated Dimmercrats, they shure have me confused as to precisely how theys a gonna hate their way to world peace. Maybe raisin’ our taxes has sumthin’ to to with ushering in their heaven on earth.

    Respektfully yurs,

    Cuzzin Billy Bob Kincaid

  • 28 mindknumbed kid // Apr 15, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    Jl3’s link back on #6 and its subsequent links have motivated me to refer to Mr. Carter as a so-called ex-President. I hope he gets the job that the current President has envisioned for him.

  • 29 Darthmeister // Apr 15, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    Obama’s diary:
    “Note to self, when trying to disprove charges of suffering from out-of-touch elitism, don’t use words like ‘conflate’ or ‘excoriate’.”

  • 30 mindknumbed kid // Apr 15, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Want to see the price of oil fall drastically? If all of us hard workin’ Americans were to sit on our backsides for two solid weeks, it would screw up everything around the globe - royally! I know that it won’t/can’t happen, but it sure would be somethin’.

  • 31 EXT // Apr 15, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Read and weep!

    Remember, Jimmy Carter served only one term as president. That leaves him eligible for another.

    Consider the Democrap candidates and their efforts to tear each other apart. If it gets serious enough the dimmies might just settle on Carter as their unifying candidate.

    Shocking part:

    Given the Republican Liberal opponent, it’s a tossup as to whether Carter or Nader would be the more conservative candidate on the ballot!

  • 32 mindknumbed kid // Apr 15, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    When I lived in WV a company drilled a well on our farm lookin’ for oil. It wasn’t a serious venture, the locals were just out for their 15 minutes of fame, they were lookin’ to bring in “the big one”. The well they drilled on our farm didn’t have one lick of oil in it, but according to the log, it had more gas than you could shake a stick at. They never produced it, even though it was only about 100 yards from a newly laid gas transmission line. Our neighbor’s well made quite a bit of oil, straight line it was about a half mile away, it made a good bit of oil, but they had to release the gas pressure to get it. So they lit the gas and burned it right there at the well-site, it literally sounded like a train was bearing down on our bathroom. Then there was the well over by my grandpa’s farm, it was “flowing” 1000 barrels of oil a day, my cousin Don and I walked out to see it, got there just in time to save the driver of the oil tanker’s skin. The diesel engine in his truck was picking up the oil fumes and he couldn’t keep it from “runnin’ off”, we unhooked the hose from the oil tank for him and he departed right quickly. They had to shut the well in to come in and collect all of the oil. In the old times when they were drilling for oil it was common for the company to sell “shares” of the well that they were planning to drill, occasionally they would end up overselling and there would be 17 people who each owned one sixteenth interest, those wells always came in as “dry holes”. What I am saying is, that there is still a mess of oil out there to be harvested. I could see where it might just be able to replenish itself too, seems to me that it would take a whole lot of fossils to make a million barrels of oil.

  • 33 mindknumbed kid // Apr 15, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    I don’t think the dimmies would touch Carter as a candidate with a ten foot Republican pole.

  • 34 mindknumbed kid // Apr 15, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    It’s too bad Carter wasn’t McRuin’s age when he was elected, just think of the trouble it would’ve saved us.

  • 35 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 15, 2008 at 7:25 pm



    Funny you should ask-I just got a letter from them a few days past. I think after the MS walk on Saturday I will post it.

    Things are going fairly well with them since Uncle Willy built that ethanol still, er plant.

    More to come……………..

  • 36 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 15, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    After Mr Peanut/Carter put on his traditional ceremonial vest, he placed his crown of Reynolds Wrap firmly over his head and after a few moments, smiled and told Israeli leaders there is nothing going on here, so sleep well tonight.

  • 37 mindknumbed kid // Apr 15, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Cousin Ramos is really ticked at Uncle Willy over that ethanol production project, tortillas are getting to be too expensive these days on account of it.

  • 38 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 15, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    RE: #26~~

    Yes, and this latest thinking calls into question the long-held “fact” that petroleum is decayed dinosaurs.
    Interesting stuff.
    Personally, I’ve been skeptical and suspected another (as yet unknown) source of petroleum all of my life; needless to say, my ears perked up when I heard the tail-end of a quick sound-bite on FOX News. I can’t find any documentation to glom, though, so that sorta makes it hearsay but I did hear them say it.

  • 39 Fred Sinclair // Apr 15, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    The Islamofascist speak a different language than that of sane people. They learned back in the 1200’s that there was someone who spoke their language and furthermore spoke it better than they did. They were on a roll From Spain, Italy, Morocco all around the Mediterranean, raping, robbing, looting plus beheading any who failed to convert to Islam.

    But then they headed East conquered most of China but when they got to the Mongolian steppes they met up with Ghengus Kahn who gave them a lesson in raping, robbing and looting, becuse Kahn and his boys were bad, bad, bad!!! So they crept back home to their little hidey-holes where they stayed for the next 800 or so years.

    When Terhan and a few neighboring cities eat several nuclear power pills all the mid East will find the pucker factor like their ancestors did and the following thousand years will find a very peaceful middle East.

    Got to speak the only language they understand. I’m thinking the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) is preparing to give lessons with or without the USA’s assistance.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 40 mindknumbed kid // Apr 15, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    online & JL3 - Indeed, how much is left after a body decays? How many dinos were there? I don’t believe that could have been the source, way too much oil out there. I personally believe that God put it there so that I can drive my Chevy.

  • 41 mindknumbed kid // Apr 15, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    And, for Camo’s Harley….

  • 42 onlineanalyst // Apr 15, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    This WSJ story describes the phenomenon of oil itself as a constantly renewing resource, information that contradicts previous conventional wisdom.

  • 43 camojack // Apr 15, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    mindknumbed kid // Apr 15, 2008 at 7:46 pm
    And, for Camo’s Harley…

    I just filled ‘er up today, too.

    5 gallons of 93 octane @ $3.53 = 17.65… ;-)

  • 44 gafisher // Apr 15, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    JL3 Re#38: Look here for details of a process which rapidly (and commercially, by the way) turns animal offal into fuel oil. Here’s the lead paragraph:

    “Turkey and pig slaughterhouse wastes are daily trucked into the world’s first biorefinery, a thermal conversion processing plant in Carthage, Missouri. On peak production days, 500 barrels of high-quality fuel oil (better than crude oil) are made from 270 tons of turkey guts and 20 tons of pig fat.”

    In some places it might have taken “millions of years” to get the plant licensed, but making pretty good quality oil is much quicker.

  • 45 camojack // Apr 15, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    That last comment wasn’t on topic, but in response to another.

    For an ON topic comment:

    May Jimmuh use his gift at his earliest moment…alone.

  • 46 onlineanalyst // Apr 15, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Here is the NYT story about the natural gas reserves, an incredibly rich source in the breadth of territory it covers.

    In fact, not only would this reserve meet a lot of our energy needs, it would provide jobs and ancillary businesses for many people in several states.

    Why, people would not become “bitter” and have to reach for their Bibles and guns in these Depression-like times. /snark

    That is, if we had Congressional leadership that knew a little about economics, business, and energy… and gave up its fantasies about anthropomorphic global warming. We have too many lawyers in our legislature.

    Anecdotal story: My uncle and aunt have permitted gas well drilling on their farm, and the results have been lucrative for both them and the company. Furthermore, the company has been most responsible in leaving the land in terrific condition after their setting up the wells.

  • 47 Fred Sinclair // Apr 15, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Very interesting….. I read some years ago about something in the Bible I’ve been unable to find. The gist of it was that in the last days the wealth of surrounding nations would flow into Israel.

    Based on that there is a Texas Oil co. that has been over there where the Dead Sea is the earth’s lowest point.

    When I worked the oil fields in west Texas, we routinely drilled to 8 - 9,000 feet, in East New Mexico there were wells down to 10 - 13,000 feet.

    But over in the Dead Sea they are doing the impossible and drilling to 85 - 90,000 feet. It seems that the pools of oil under Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. are beginning to run low and they are drilling at 12 - 14,ooo feet. Gravity is causing those pools to drain to a point beneath the Dead Sea. They figure that in the last half of this century all of the mid East oil will be in a mammoth pool about 90 - 125,000 feed under the South West portion of the Dead Sea.

    In addition to their hatred for the Jews the Islamic countries know where their oil is going and don’t want to find themselves lining up, hat in hand, begging Israel to sell them some oil. So they want Israel erased from the map!

    I dogpiled “Israel deep drilling under the Dead Sea” and there are pages and pages of links. I find it ironic and amusing.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 48 Fred Sinclair // Apr 15, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    typo - my bad- that should be 90 - 25,000 feet (not feed) oops. - Waxless Fred

  • 49 mindknumbed kid // Apr 15, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Fred - I have heard that the mineral deposits in the Dead Sea are of great value also. I’m no expert on the matter, but it does make a little sense.

  • 50 debass // Apr 15, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    I was hoping he would be taken hostage so he could experience the justice he so well deserves from his own administration.
    We should never drill for oil unless it can supply us with the rest of our needs till the end of time. And we should only drill in one place at a time. Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.

  • 51 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 15, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    It is my humble opinion that Jimmy “Liver Lips” Carter is just as creepy-looking as Yasir “Liver-Lips” Arafat ever was and the so-called “farmer” ain’t agittin’ no purtier, neither….. He gives me the creeps-no, the heebie-jeebies. It’s like they were both carved from the same hunk of Putrid. Thus, I avert my eyes from either of them.
    I mean, like, is that real (as in human) epidermis hanging from his face? Or is it, perhaps, a membranous film or scum? Or, is he simply an inept shape-shifter stuck between shapes (thus traipsing around, aping a head-less chicken and babbling incoherent psycho-spin)?

  • 52 gafisher // Apr 16, 2008 at 3:18 am

    JL3 Re#51: Jimmah Carter always reminded me of the descriptions of H.P. Lovecraft’s Innsmouth folk, but it’s not nice to dwell on the unfortunate effects of peanut overconsumption.

  • 53 gafisher // Apr 16, 2008 at 3:29 am

    debass Re#50: The interesting theory was advanced recently on Limbaugh’s show that Carter was held hostage, during the 444 Iran Hostage Crisis. Certainly he seemed to be acting at the mercy of the Islamists, and his administration, bungled as it had been before then, was virtually incapacitated as the crisis wore on. The net result, in Limbaugh’s hypothesis, was that Carter has ever since suffered from Stockholm Syndrome: “… in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger (or at least risk) in which the hostage has been placed.”

    It would explain a lot, though Carter’s predilection toward the Children of Ishmael was obvious even earlier.

  • 54 gafisher // Apr 16, 2008 at 3:31 am

    Re#53: make that (444 day).

  • 55 RedPepper // Apr 16, 2008 at 4:28 am

    JL3 #51: “It is my humble opinion that Jimmy “Liver Lips” Carter is just as creepy-looking as Yasir “Liver-Lips” Arafat ever was … ”

    mkk #40: “Indeed, how much is left after a body decays?”


  • 56 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 16, 2008 at 7:19 am

    Back in the day, when Earth was a mere adolescent, a massive glob of sludge slammed into it (like the commercial) and that’s where oil comes from.
    “And some extra napkins?”

  • 57 Libby Gone // Apr 16, 2008 at 7:21 am

    jl3 #38,
    Perhaps oil is being manufactured by the Earth. Oil is a hydrocarbon. Titan, a satellite of the planet Saturn, appeares to largely composed of hydrocarbons such as Methane.
    Perhaps, millions of years ago Dinosaurs roamed Titan…..???…

  • 58 upnorthlurkin // Apr 16, 2008 at 7:25 am

    Totally off topic for this thread but this is a short article on the 400 billion barrels we’re sitting on up here….
    It’s not new news, but shhhhhhh… we’re not looking for a rush of “outsiders”. (Tongue firmly planted in cheek.)

  • 59 upnorthlurkin // Apr 16, 2008 at 7:34 am

    Okay, that’s not the article I meant…I’ll be back and search for it later….

  • 60 Maggie // Apr 16, 2008 at 8:25 am

    The Carters should be fearful of being held hostage by the ‘Hamess’. I would call that poetic justice.

  • 61 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 16, 2008 at 9:41 am

    RE: #57~~
    Libby Gone~~

    Yes! Titan is one of the reasons it is so exciting that the Cassini-Huygens Mission has been extended for two more years!
    I downloaded the image at that link yesterday and scaled it to fit my desktop—I love that stuff.
    Dinosaurs and Outer Space—way too cool—fascinating, even.

  • 62 boberinyetagain // Apr 16, 2008 at 9:57 am

    Maggie, you can’t be held hostage if no one would pay for your release. We could charge them to take them back.

    jostling old…people? That’s just mean

  • 63 boberinyetagain // Apr 16, 2008 at 10:07 am

    Libby/JL3, does this mean that Marvin was actually a dinosaur? Say it isn’t so…

    darrell you…and my other brother, darrell me

  • 64 da Bunny // Apr 16, 2008 at 10:23 am

    mindknumbed kid // Apr 15, 2008 at 7:45 pm #40

    online & JL3 - Indeed, how much is left after a body decays? How many dinos were there? I don’t believe that could have been the source, way too much oil out there. I personally believe that God put it there so that I can drive my Chevy.

    Amen, to that mkk!! God always provides for His children and He is in control. It’s no coincidence that we are now experiencing “cooling” global temperatures, that the wealth of the ME is flowing toward Israel, that new reserves of oil and natural gas are being found all the time, etc. These are “God-incidences.” And, it’s not an accident that these things are happening in these current times, exposing the algore/eco-terrorist crowd for the liars and money-grubbing charlatans that they are…”carbon offsets,” my corncob smokin’, beanwalkin’, corn detasselin’ behind!!!

    wv: Seymour bear…Both Darthmeister and I know where Seymour is, but I’m sure there aren’t any bears there.

  • 65 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 16, 2008 at 10:40 am

    This Graphic of BO is concise and succinct; and could describe the Democrat Party.
    Yes, the Democrat Party which swooned with Collective Envy as Carter was actually in the presence of Liver-Lips’ stinking corpse.

    The speculation that Carter suffers from Stockholm Syndrome resulting from hypothetically being held hostage (vicariously) for 444 days is, perhaps, interesting at best.

  • 66 Shelly // Apr 16, 2008 at 11:00 am

    Scott just gets better and better! I’d like to see a juxtaposition of two pictures - Carter and the terrorist, and President Bush with the Pope. What a comparison!

  • 67 Shelly // Apr 16, 2008 at 11:24 am

    IBD had a great editorial cartoon yesterday. The President is telling the Pople that the only reason so many people have come out to see him is because they are bitter and the gun shops are closed. :-)

  • 68 boberinyetagain // Apr 16, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Obama’s remarks accurately describe the candidates at least as well as the electorate.

  • 69 Shelly // Apr 16, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    That should have read Pope. My apologies to the Holy Father.

    I still can’t get over the contrast!

  • 70 upnorthlurkin // Apr 16, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    Shelly, that cartoon is over at Lucianne dot com today but it’s Barry Hussein Obamamama informing the Pope…. Maybe you saw the ears and just assumed it was President Bush..?

  • 71 Shelly // Apr 16, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Thanks for correcting me! I watched some of the news coverage today of the President and the Pope together at the White House, and I guess that made me think it was the President. I know many here listen to Rush Limbaugh, and I saw the scene he was referring to at the beginning of his program today. It was definitely moving.

  • 72 mindknumbed kid // Apr 16, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    re#64 - Amen to that too! Here is to clinging to religion and toting guns. Bitter ? Only when we see God being relegated as being insignificant by our humanistic “leaders” of today. I for one an very at ease with God’s capability of care and provision, all the days of my life, and life yet to come. The ability to totally trust and rely upon God is not the easiest thing to do, but we have too many people influencing our nation that do not have any knowledge of God, therefore to trust and rely on him is a foreign concept. Al Gore is a perfect example of such a person, he is a detriment to our nation, and to the world.

  • 73 da Bunny // Apr 16, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Jimmy Carter’s latest pearl of wisdom [from the WSJ]:

    “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.”

    This guy is not only a total imbecile…he’s a dangerously insane imbecile as well. Un-freakin-believable!!!!

  • 74 da Bunny // Apr 16, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    mkk #72…You’re absolutely right!:-)

  • 75 upnorthlurkin // Apr 16, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Cassandra writes a wonderful piece today on the difference between us (the conservatives) and them (the Blame America first, whiney, lib surrender monkeys) and leaves no doubt why we should never try and get along with them.

  • 76 Fred Sinclair // Apr 16, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    They said it could never happen here in America but from what I’m hearing on Fox News, the government has stepped in to confiscate over 400 children from a church in Texas. Maybe like Janet Reno at Waco, the government can simply burn them to death.

    I mean, for instance, if somebody’s church doesn’t conform to your church then simply utilize napalm, dynamite, nitroglycerine or Air to Ground missiles, “Smart Bombs” or whatever it takes to rid the country of an undesirable religion. Like the Freedom of Religion part of the Constitution has been deleted.

    I don’t hold to their beliefs nor do I hold to the belief of the Islamic Religion; The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (the Mormons); The Jehovah’s Witnesses; The Southern Baptists, etc.

    But I don’t support burning them to death (ala Waco, Texas.) or taking children from their parents to be brainwashed by the liberal government.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 77 Fred Sinclair // Apr 16, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Perhaps we need Jeremiah Wright to interpret what B. Hussein Obama is saying. Ann Coulter had a real zinger:

    COLMES: Oh, it’s only — only Republicans can talk in churches, right?

    COULTER: No, but I do think anyone named B. Hussein Obama should avoid using “hijack” and “religion” in the same sentence.

    COLMES: I see. So, in other words, you want to paint him as a terrorist by continuing to use — to highlight that his middle name is Hussein?

    COULTER: Just avoid those two together.

    COLMES: So, in other words, he — only you can talk like that. Only conservatives. Someone whose middle name is Hussein should not talk like that.

    COULTER: Avoid “hijack” and “religion.”

    COLMES: I see.

    I’m happy that we have a totally objective viewpoint, like Colmes, to ask really intelligent questions.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 78 boberinyetagain // Apr 16, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    I’m with you Fred!

    If pedophilia is good enough for the Catholic Church then it should be ok in whatever religeon one chooses to cloak it in.
    Power to the people dang it all! Kids, what do they know anyway? nothing…

  • 79 upnorthlurkin // Apr 16, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Do. Not. Take. The. Bait….

  • 80 boberinyetagain // Apr 16, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    What bait? He brought it up…a week after the story broke.

    The Pope was nice enough to apologize today, that was nice

  • 81 mindknumbed kid // Apr 16, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Do Not Seek The Treasure…..It’s an ambush!

  • 82 mindknumbed kid // Apr 16, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Oh, no. It’s a Bushwhack!

  • 83 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 16, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Here’s a thought-provoking essay that I found, along with some others, in this article.

    I am [inexplicably] intellectually intrigued as I watch BO dissected, layer by layer, right before my very eyes.
    I hereby propose that BO be profiled by the team on Criminal Minds—a retro B&W film noir episode, perhaps?

  • 84 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 16, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    —not just in that article—
    Everywhere you look, “…..layer by layer…..” on a daily [even hourly] basis, the revelations of the almost slow-motion excavations of BO’s very being are scrutinized with a well-honed scalpel and hi-res imagery.

    Which reminds me, did you notice his lapel?

  • 85 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 16, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Bait? Are the crappies biting?

  • 86 Maggie // Apr 16, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    daBunny re64….It is good to see you poking your little pink nose out of da ‘bunny hole’

  • 87 mindknumbed kid // Apr 16, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    As with the majority of all religious systems, God grace is won by good behavior. The better the behavior, the more blessing you receive, but if you miss the mark there is no blessing for youAnd though it is God that judges (in their system), however, they have a clergy that serves to keep score for you, let you know if you are alright, or not.
    The Rev. Wright is simply our national score keeper, our religious “leader” that knows how far off of the mark we are as a nation. So naturally, he says, “God D*** America, to get us onto the paths of blessings. All done through the scope of good (enough) works, to merit blessings.

    That is why it is so important to rightly divide the word of truth. To know that while we are all yet sinners, that we can be justified by faith in Christ. It is therefore not necessary to live a life that is “good enough” to merit God’s blessing us with eternal life, and to have our sins forgiven even though we cannot “live it”. As a nation, we are just as prone to miss the mark, but God does not judge us according to our deeds, but as to our faith in and love for him.

  • 88 mindknumbed kid // Apr 16, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    Better way of saying it(re#87 is our acceptance of him (Christ).

  • 89 mindknumbed kid // Apr 16, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    Ms RightWing, Ink, No crappies bitin’, just some suckers…

  • 90 upnorthlurkin // Apr 16, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    JL3 - yup, it’s prudent to wear a flag pin on your lapel if you can exploit it and the disabled veteran who gave it to you. ;-)

    wv - actor noon - that’s what comes actor morning.

  • 91 upnorthlurkin // Apr 16, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    Ms. RW - just li’l old me warning Scrapplers not to dignify negative-nay-Bob’s tired old rants against the Catholic church….and look how well it worked!? Little or no bandwidth wasted! ;-)

  • 92 Possumtrot // Apr 16, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    I keep posting, hoping in some perverse way for an attack. Am I totally marginalized?

    I can live with that; just tell me how boring I am repeating the same mantras, and I’ll go away and try my luck on “Daily Kos“.

    I mentioned a Willie Nelson movie a few threads back: “Red-Headed Stranger.” Nelson’s a nut case, but he made two good Westerns; “Barbarosa” and “Red-Headed Stranger”. Serendipity, I found myself up at 0200 watching “R-H S”. I’m trying to polish up what I want to say about it for a post at United Possums International, but it isn’t as easy as a commom layman’s film review.

    Movies are a reflection of our lives. “Red-Headed Stranger” has a lot to do with God, guns, and bitterness. The context may not have a whole lot to do with The Manchurian Candidate’s elitist opinions, but it reflects a lot about whatever he was trying to say, and shows him to be almost enitrely wrong. Like Mistah Jimmy, I don’t give Willie Nelson a whole lot of credit for sanity, although I admire him for not paying his taxes.

    I don’t like C&W, but he did his own soundtrack, and when he plays a portion of “Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain”, I start leaking. I have blue eyes, and have stood in the rain crying them out.

    I have a hard time tracking some of my “subscribers” to United Possums International on e-mail. Leads, outright rejections as boring, or e-mail changes would be appreciated. I almost regret the absence of the presence of trolls. Are they laying back, biding their time, or is the looming possibility of outright civil war among the Dems kind of inhibiting their usual hateful spew?

    Bober doesn’t count as a troll. He is voicing the other side, so Fred, please let up on him. Where are the truly clueless idjits like “Everthink” and “Liger”?

    Aww, c’mon! Somebody attack me! Being ignored is a worse fate than name-calling by truly clueless liberals! I’m posting here for weeks; I don’t get a single ad hom attack any more.

    Oh, Great Scott, have you cleaned this site up too much? I miss Ranbutan calling my very existence into question; I miss “Liger” sending me viruses, and I miss “Everthink” ["Liger" under a different name] insulting my murdered father.

    Where are trolls when we need them? I get a wild hair every so often, and it tickles.

    Cleaning up my corner of The Internet from Scorpion Hill…

  • 93 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 16, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.~~Ephesians 2:8-9

  • 94 everthink // Apr 16, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    “As with the majority of all religious systems, God grace is won by good behavior.”

    Pharisee, maybe you should look up the word grace. In the the most common Christian usage God’s “Grace” means “unmerited favor”.

    By you definition “Amazing Grace” should be be the “The Just Reward of the Righteous”. In you case make that “The Just Reward of the Self-Righteous”.

    Now, go play that on your bag pipes, why don’t you?


  • 95 everthink // Apr 16, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    stick in a couple of “r”s too.


  • 96 Fred Sinclair // Apr 16, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    mkk #’s 87 & 88

    You describe accurately why I have no “religion”.

    “religion” is the very antithesis of Christianity.

    All of the world’s 2,227 religions have one thing in common; whether it’s the Aztecs sacrificing virgins on their stone altar or the barbaric practice of throwing the firstborn into the fire. Sometimes its a matter of following a list of dont’s (smoke, drink, pride, dance, play with cards, gossip, lie, attend movies, sex without marriage, chew chewing gum, etc.) but it’s always do or don’t do something, in any case it involves works, either good works or bad works. “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

    But it’s always a matter of man seeking god, seeking in some manner to appease his wrath so he won’t flood the village, bring drought and dry up the crops, etc.

    Christianity stands 180 degrees apart from religion and is based on God seeking man. God so loved the world that He gave His son for the world’s redemption so that by His grace through faith we are saved.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 97 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 16, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.~~James 1:27

  • 98 mindknumbed kid // Apr 16, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. We, as believers are prone to do things that we ought not do, and in doing so neglect to do that which we ought to be doing, namely magnifying Christ.
    Those that seek an opportunity to bring reproach unto Christ are not wise. It is disheartening to hear of situations that give them the occasion, but as long as we are not yet made perfect as Christ is perfect, it will doubtless continue.
    May God be glorified, somehow…

  • 99 Fred Sinclair // Apr 16, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    WSJ - As “Allahpundit” points out, Obama appeared at a town hall meeting in Pennsylvania yesterday wearing a flag lapel pin-a symbol, according to Obama himself, of false patriotism.

    So now he’s sporting his “false patriotism” for all to see (at least now he’s being honest)

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 100 mindknumbed kid // Apr 16, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    Sorry ET, it is the religious that seek to be good enough to be made righteous and fit for Heaven. I have no hope outside of the finished work of Christ who died a substitutionary death on the cross, for me. That I may receive his grace by faith in him, and asking him to become my savior, and the Lord of my life. I have often failed him, but he has never and will never fail me. It is not of works that I have done, only because of what he has done. I do not consider myself righteous, but through him his word tells me that I am justified and made righteous through him. (God be praised)
    In #87, I was attempting to explain BO’s pastor, not to present a picture of true believers. If I had known you were trying to understand, I would have used smaller words.

    wv: driven postal! I kid you not, ET shows up and then comes that for a wv, coincidence?

  • 101 Fred Sinclair // Apr 16, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    JL3rd 97 & mkk 98 You reminded me of my #1 problem, the same that Paul wrote about - “For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.” (Rom. 7:19)

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 102 Possumtrot // Apr 16, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Welcome back, “Everthink”!

    So nice to see an acknowledgement!

    My father’s been gone since 1985, about 23 years by my faulty reckoning.

    I never give up. The detective who has charge of the case is one who brought down that Fred Tokars puke; he was the lawyer who bought a contract on his wife, and the killer would have done the two young kids if it had worked out as planned. It’s been documented all over cable and those Discovery? channels. The detective is a Captain with the Cherokee County Sheriff’s Department, and swears he will never let go of this. I have an institutional distrust of cops, but I believe him.

    The alleged shooter is dead. He had an unfortunate encounter with a truck years ago. His older brother, who might have put him up to it, still lives in West Virginia. You might want to rethink that concept of “Instant Karma”.

    Thanks for the snarky remark. I thought I was being completely ignored. Robert Samuel Webb-1907-1985. I ain’t worried about identity theft; if you stole it, you’d toss it back in a heartbeat because my credit rating’s worth zero. Those credit cards where they say you can’t get turned down? They turn me down.

    I live below everyone’s radar. I can be like that ad guy on TV who publishes his SS number; you don’t want mine. It’ll get you mucho debt, and no credit.

    Thanks for the call-out by name. We’ll meet and tangle again. Meanwhile, I just didn’t realize my fellow Scrapplers haven’t got me marginalized. BTW, I was only being sarcastic about climbing up on the local water tower with a .308 and a Bible. I am finishing the post on “Red-Headed Stranger”, Willie Nelson’s second-best movie. Only the acerbic “Barbarosa” with Gary Busey was better. He lets people steal movies from him. Busey in one, Armstrong in the other.

    Follow the kink to United Possums International for the full story.

    I think the movie’s a heartbreaker; make up your own mind. Katharine Ross, who is married to one of my true movie heroes, Sam Elliott, also plays an important role in this tale.

    I am not Catholic, but I was exhalted by seeing Benedict 16th and GWB together today. I am also not Muslim or Jewish, but I like the simplistic school of Rodney King thought: “Why can’t we all just get along?”

    I’ll attempt to provoke some more attacks: King was just a stupid n—ger who got busted once too often for DUI. (Great Scott, it’s just a device to get people to recognize I’m here, please don’t delete it; you know I don’t mean it.)

    On the serious side, who else thinks Bob [BET] Johnson might have been right when he echoed Geraldine Ferrarro?

    Cruisin’ for a bruisin’ on Scorprion Hill…

  • 103 Fred Sinclair // Apr 16, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Back in the late 50’s I had a goal of memorizing one verse per day but this I found to be a tongue twister I worked four days before I got it. But while good works won’t get anyone into heaven and bad works won’t keep anyone out of heaven. Nevertheless good works are strongly promoted.

    “This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.” (Titus 3:8,9)

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 104 mindknumbed kid // Apr 16, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    For ET - I will now go to bed.

    For everyone else - Goodnight everybody, time to hit the hay.

  • 105 Possumtrot // Apr 16, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Fred, I gave up Jesus during a war a long time ago. There couldn’t be a God who allowed this. What a young fool I was.

    It ain’t near worth it. Never give up; I renounced my Christian faith for a “leave me alone” philosophy years ago; I have been cursed ever since. God left me alone; there is no worse feeling in the universe.

    You who don’t subscribe to curses, and you who quote Scripture; I don’t like being left alone.

    Have fun; you’ll find out. I’ve seen a lot of Scripture quoting on the last few threads. Tell God just once that you want to be left alone for the rest of your life, without all those pesky morality bothers, and see how fast He obliges you.

    The curse is in Deuteronomy somewhere: Everything you touch will turn to dust and ash. I can’t remember chapter and verse; I didn’t know it on the day I called God’s wrath upon me. If you don’t believe me, stand up and shake your fist at Heaven. I promise you, what the black folks say is true: your arms are too short to box with God. Everything I touch turns to dust and ash, don’t try this at home, kids, we’re professionals. Line up here; the gate to Hell opens to the left.

    Keep laughing; it’s a cautionary tale.

    See ya…

  • 106 everthink // Apr 16, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Thanks Possum,

    I never expected to read those words here. I did write a snarky remark about you being “hard headed”, but I don’t see it here now.

    I’m not Catholic either, and I’m about as anti-Dumbyah as it is possible to be, but I agree, somehow it was a nice picture.

    I have thought about your “dog problem” often, I wish I could come up with an answer for you.

    Everybody I know was upset with me over the Rodney King “beating”, I have always said, I couldn’t convict the cops based on the tape, if I couldn’t hear the sound. If they were issuing commands, then it wasn’t just a beating. I wouldn’t want to take hold of that big fellow either, especially when tasers hadn’t seemed to bother him much.

    When I was in the Army I spent a couple of months at Fort Gordon, and my son spent a couple of years at Fort Stewart, if fact I have a granddaughter who’s one of your “Peaches”, another who was born at Fort Hood; but, I don’t like to talk about Texas anymore.

    Scott didn’t run me off, neither did anybody else for that matter. I just get tired of it here.

    I can understand you comments to Fred; but, in case you ever change your mind, one word will be all you need.

    We disagree about stuff, but you’re a good man, no matter what your ex-wives say.


  • 107 Fred Sinclair // Apr 16, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Possumtrot - I feel certain that you aren’t ignorant (unlearned) And although you may know of it. You can’t have read it recently. Read it and know this, God is more than overjoyed if you chose to turn back to Him.

    I say chose because if you chose not to - you’ve a beautiful excuse built in for doing nothing -

    1st Jn. 1:9 “If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

    Luke 15:11 ¶ And He said, “A man had two sons.
    Luke 15:12 “The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of the estate that falls to me.’ So he divided his wealth between them.
    Luke 15:13 “And not many days later, the younger son gathered everything together and went on a journey into a distant country, and there he squandered his estate with loose living.
    Luke 15:14 “Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine occurred in that country, and he began to be impoverished.
    Luke 15:15 “So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
    Luke 15:16 “And he would have gladly filled his stomach with the pods that the swine were eating, and no one was giving anything to him.
    Luke 15:17 “But when he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired men have more than enough bread, but I am dying here with hunger!
    Luke 15:18 ‘I will get up and go to my father, and will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight;
    Luke 15:19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me as one of your hired men.”’
    Luke 15:20 “So he got up and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion for him, and ran and embraced him and kissed him.
    Luke 15:21 “And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
    Luke 15:22 “But the father said to his slaves, ‘Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet;
    Luke 15:23 and bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat and celebrate;
    Luke 15:24 for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’ And they began to celebrate.

    NOTE: IT DOES NOT SAY “So he got up and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt condemnation for him and ran to get his shotgun yelling “I’m going to blow a hole through that ungrateful kid, how dare he show his face around my house?”

    But you Mr. Possumtrot are acting as if you believe that’s exactly what God will say and do. Are you afraid to find out just how wrong you’ve been? Come on back home brother, God’s waiting.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 108 Possumtrot // Apr 17, 2008 at 2:18 am

    Fred, I only know one snippet of Scripture: it’s the last two verses of Chapter One of Ecclesiastes [Book of the Preacher], and I paraphrase: “And I gave my life to know wisdom, and to know madness and sorrow; and I perceived that this, too, is vexation.

    For I perceived that in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.”

    I have been cursed and condemned for being a know-it-all who spoke too often and too rashly.

    I also have a working knowledge of The Decalogue, and portions of the Book of Job where he laments ever being born. However, I don’t regard The Decalogue as “The Ten Suggestions”, and if, like Job, I lament how my life has turned out, I don’t curse God for the circumstance. I brought whatever misery I now endure upon myself, probably by breaking nine out of the ten commandments, and for once blaspheming and cursing God when I was too young and stupid to know better. The older I get, the more I repent my past, but consequently, it seems that the more repentance I have, the less it seems to matter.

    I have nothing left but faith and hope. I know that as good Christians, we are supposed to be witnesses for The Lord and “plow the fields”, but my faith is intensely personal, and privately, quietly held. I can give you a “witness” for God that will rock your socks off, but I am not accustomed to preaching in public, and this is a public forum. Sorry.

    I hear that Benedict XVI was a very shy, retiring man as Cardinal Ratzinger. Maybe that’s why I like him so much, even though I’m not Catholic. Considering what he does, and what he faces as Pope, he has to be sustained by God’s own strength. I only wish I had a fraction of that strength, so I could proclaim what I believe, instead of babbling in allegories and generalities.

    Continuing to pray on Scorpion Hill..

  • 109 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 17, 2008 at 6:45 am

    For what it’s worth:
    I spent a major portion of my life denying the existence of God with my mouth while I knew better in my heart but my brain refused to throw the switch.
    Beginning at puberty, I continued to live a life of drunken despair for decades, more often in the gutter (or a county jail somewhere) than not. I abandoned my wife and family. I drove my mother to suicide. My only sibling disowned me. And that’s just for starters; I’ve mentioned other stuff here in days gone by.
    I do not quote Scripture with frivolity or randomly but prayerfully and with the utmost gratitude to Almighty God Who saw fit to save a wretch like me.
    Thank you

  • 110 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 17, 2008 at 7:59 am

    Gee JL3,

    I finally met someone with a track record worse than mine. Glad God isn’t keeping notes anymore. My book may have a lot of nasty “little” things I said and did I may have to account for but…

    …..I can’t find my history anymore. But my sister and a few other kin folks can.

    Glad The Book of Life is the only one on God’s shelf.

  • 111 mindknumbed kid // Apr 17, 2008 at 12:31 pm


  • 112 gafisher // Apr 17, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    MsRW, JL3; every saved sinner requires God’s infinite Grace — Christ’s one sacrifice was necessary for the “best” as much as for the “worst” of us, “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”

    I am firmly convinced that when Paul says (1 Timothy 1:15) “This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief,” he is not claiming the “title” just for himself but teaching that each of us must in humility make the same confession. If I believe someone else is a worse sinner than myself, I have misunderstood the nature of sin.

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