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Hamas Backs Obama, Other 'Superdelegates' to Follow

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(2008-04-17) — The chief political adviser to the Prime Minister of Hamas on Sunday said the terror group would like to see Sen. Barack Obama become the next U.S. president because “he has a vision to change America.”

One Obama campaign insider said, “Getting this endorsement is tantamount to picking up a superdelegate vote. But with Hamas, Sen. Obama didn’t have to compromise his principles or positions, or make any commitments beyond what he has already promised.”

The unnamed source said he expected the Hamas announcement “would open the floodgates” and the Illinois senator will soon have the support of what he called “the Carter coalition of global non-governmental organizations that support change in the U.S.”

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92 responses so far ↓

  • 1 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 17, 2008 at 8:23 am


  • 2 camojack // Apr 17, 2008 at 8:34 am

    I think Jimmuh should lose his superdelegate status; why not give it to a known terrorist group?

  • 3 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 17, 2008 at 8:37 am

    To thunderous applause, they’ll all be jumping on the The BO Bandwagon now: China, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Al Qaeda, la Cosa Nostra, satan…..

    Oh, wait…..they’re already aboard…..

  • 4 Shelly // Apr 17, 2008 at 9:09 am

    Hamas? Bitter people who cling to guns, religion, and antipathy to people who aren’t like them? Now I get it.

  • 5 Shelly // Apr 17, 2008 at 9:21 am

    Maybe this explains Carter’s actions, too. He’s just visiting with the Dem’s probable candidate’s base.

  • 6 Hawkeye // Apr 17, 2008 at 9:22 am

    Shelly #4,

    Hahahaha! Good one. :lol:

  • 7 Hawkeye // Apr 17, 2008 at 9:25 am

    “But with Hamas, Sen. Obama didn’t have to compromise his principles or positions, or make any commitments beyond what he has already promised.”

    Ain’t that the truth! Good line Scott.

    Cronkite the — avuncular traitor.

  • 8 Maggie // Apr 17, 2008 at 9:37 am

    At first,I wanted to give Obama the benefit of the doubt,but now believe he is the Trojan Horse of this campaign.
    How many times can he disclaim his relationships with these seedy characters?
    To quote my dad”birds of a feather flock to gether”. Better yet, Proverbs 13:20 states
    “He that walketh with wise men shall be wise,but a companion of fools shall be destroyed”.

  • 9 Fred Sinclair // Apr 17, 2008 at 10:27 am

    In a little over 230 years the people of the USofA with that incredible document, The Constitution built this country to be the greatest nation in the planet’s history.

    Countries with thousands of years of history; China, Russia, India, N. Korea, N. Viet Nam, etc. aren’t bothered with hoards of illegals trying to infiltrate their countries. To the contrary people in those countries are risking life and limb to escape to America.

    So the Democrats want change the want to change America into another Russia. The Union of Soviet Socialist America. (USSA) With themselves as the muckety mucks running everything.

    A lot of blood has flowed since 1776 and a lot more will flow in the future. Our number one enemy today is complacency. We really don’t believe the liberals are serious even as we see a multitude of our freedoms vanishing before our very eyes. Compared to our home grown liberals, the Muslims are nothing more than a bothersome annoyance.

    The deer rifles are going to have to come out of the closet. Our next war will be “Civil War II” Not North vs South but Conservatives vs Liberals.

    The major cities will become killing fields as the liberals are hunted down and exterminated. Or as an option, the Conservatives can just throw in the towel, roll over and America as we’ve known it will cease to exist. Americans will be risking life and limb to become illegal aliens fleeing to Cuba or Venezuela. Perhaps North Viet Nam would provide better treatment?

    At my age I won’t be around to witness it and then there’s the very real possibility that Jesus will return. Or we may be entering the onset of the tribulation. It’ s going to happen and it’s got to start somewhere.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 10 boberinyetagain // Apr 17, 2008 at 10:44 am

    The liberals are eroding our freedoms? One never knows what one might “learn” here.
    I did not realize that Mr. Bush was a liberal, now I know.
    Turns out I don’t like liberals, this is quite a day, quite a day…

    12 expulsions…and there were still liberals around. how many expulsions are needed?

  • 11 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 17, 2008 at 11:49 am

    Choosing sides? Dodge ball anyone?

    The Democrats are getting better everyday. What an election

  • 12 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 17, 2008 at 11:50 am

    Help-I lost me. Where is my… oh forget it.

  • 13 gafisher // Apr 17, 2008 at 11:56 am

    With the Hamas endorsement, Obama’s support is exploding.

  • 14 gafisher // Apr 17, 2008 at 11:59 am

    Bober Re#10: were those nucular expulsions?

  • 15 RedPepper // Apr 17, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    camojack #2: Give Jimmy’s vote to a terrorist group ? ! ?

    Sheesh ! Don’t give the Dems ideas !

    Anyway … what difference would it make ?

  • 16 boberinyetagain // Apr 17, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    gafisher, I’ll have to check. That would be more efficient!

    help southpaw, the right handed starter just wasn’t “gittin er done!”

  • 17 gafisher // Apr 17, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Fred Re#9 (but even Bober might find this interesting) — Here is something that fits in well with what you said.

  • 18 da Bunny // Apr 17, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    “But with Hamas, Sen. Obama didn’t have to compromise his principles or positions, or make any commitments beyond what he has already promised.”

    A fact-based assertion, since they’re all on the same page in hating America and blaming America first. Plus…there’s always that muslim connection to fall back on. And, spare us any dissent about Obama not being a muslim. After hearing the “sermons” delivered by his Rev. Farrakhan…er, Wright, we know these people aren’t Christians. But, they are “bitter.”

  • 19 Libby Gone // Apr 17, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    the Carter coalition of global non-governmental organizations that support change in the U.S.”
    OPEC comes also to mind……

  • 20 boberinyetagain // Apr 17, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    gafisher, rats, no speakers at work. I would indeed be interested. It appeared to be a song but I’d be interested in any indication that it was the “liberal” element that wanted to sort through my e-mail and phone calls, log in my DNA, track my cell phones/e-z pass.
    Mind you, I believe “liberals” could be involved I just think that, for this latest go around (since 9/11) it’s been much more “conservative” driven. Or, as I said…Bush driven and I thought he was supposed to be “conservative” (even if his fiscal policy belies that myth a bit)

    processed this…because I was finished processing everything else so why not?

  • 21 gafisher // Apr 17, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Bober Re#20: it’s not a song, but it does deal with the issue of non-conservatives infringing on the rights of Americans. Not all who call themselves “conservative” are conservatives. There is no “grey area” between conservative and non-conservative, whatever label might be applied to facets of non-conservatism.

  • 22 mindknumbed kid // Apr 17, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    If these delegates are so super, why are they demwits?

  • 23 mindknumbed kid // Apr 17, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Fred - I ain’t too sure there are many conservatives left with enough “fire in their belly” to make a good revolt, let alone a civil war. Maybe during the first Bush presidency and the Clinton years we should have been more serious about things, I wonder if folks haven’t become so passive that they would rather roll over than take a stand.

  • 24 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 17, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    another sign global warming has destroyed Minnesota§ion=news

  • 25 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 17, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Darn it. Well this is from my hometown (sorry Kellior) where all the women are cold and the children are chipping ice

    Detroit Lakes, Minn., got the cold shoulder from spring in 1908.

    That year, ice went off Big Detroit Lake on May 19.

    The thaw, the latest in 113 years of record keeping, was almost a month past the average ice-out date of April 20.

    This spring, Minnesota again is in no rush to thaw out, with lake ice-outs running seven to 10 days later than average.

    Could icy conditions threaten the May 10 fishing opener?

    “That would be a stretch. We would have to have quite a cold second half of April and maybe a few more snowstorms,” said Pete Boulay, assistant state climatologist.

    Still, lakeshore owners may have to wait two to three more weeks before putting docks in, said Bob Merritt, Minnesota Department of Natural Resources hydrologist.

    Many lakes in west central Minnesota still have two feet of solid ice atop them, according to Merritt, who said conditions could change quickly.

  • 26 RedPepper // Apr 17, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    MsRW #24: They should learn to look on the bright side, MsRW. With luck, this should delay - and shorten - the black fly season. If you have not heard The Black Fly Song by Canadian songwriter Wade Hemsworth, the chorus goes like this:

    And the black flies, little black flies
    Always the black flies no matter where you go
    Dying with the black flies pickin’ on my bones
    In north Ontar-i-o-i-o
    In north Ontar-i-o !

  • 27 everthink // Apr 17, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    “The deer rifles are going to have to come out of the closet. Our next war will be “Civil War II” Not North vs South but Conservatives vs Liberals.

    The major cities will become killing fields as the liberals are hunted down and exterminated.”

    Yes, but that will be only those “liberals” who refuse to take the mark of your “Beast”.

    And you dare to call yourself a follow of Christ?

    You have lost you mind!


  • 28 Hawkeye // Apr 17, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    Breaking News!…

    For those of you who may remember him, today is the birthday of ‘Angus-The-Scot’ (aka Nick). I don’t believe he has posted here in quite awhile. (Of course, I may be wrong, so please feel free to correct me.) I have Nick’s e-mail address if anyone wants it.

    God Bless you good sir & Happy Birthday!
    (if you are reading this),
    Best regards…

  • 29 Fred Sinclair // Apr 17, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    mkk #23 - Speaking of “fire in the belly” it usually takes something that crosses the line to ignite that fire.

    An unacceptable tax on tea for British citizens who were noted tea drinkers, brought on the Boston “Tea Party” It took a Jimmy Carter to usher in Ronald Reagan.

    I don’t think B. Hussein Obama has a chance of beating McCain but then Harry Truman was given zero chance against Thomas Dewey back in ‘48. Copies of The Chicago Tribune with the “DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN” are collector’s items. (only a relative few made it to the streets before they were recalled).

    So since God puts rulers on the throne and deposes them as well. It may be that we need Obama and the horrors that will come with his Presidency so that we will reminisce fondly about how good we had it back in the good old Clinton, Inc. days. The nation can then with “fire in the belly” turn on the religion of liberalism.

    It will then create a landslide, sweeping Duncan Hunter and/or Jim Inhofe into office to restructure the government and save America (Well it’s not impossible) - (right?).

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 30 camojack // Apr 17, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    RedPepper // Apr 17, 2008 at 12:16 pm
    camojack #2: Give Jimmy’s vote to a terrorist group ? ! ?
    Sheesh ! Don’t give the Dems ideas!
    Anyway … what difference would it make?

    Apparently, at least some of them (Pelosi, Carter, et al) already had the idea…and it makes no difference whatsoever in their belief systems, whatever those might be.

  • 31 mindknumbed kid // Apr 17, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    Well, ET. They accused Jesus of being crazy too. Liberalism is !00% anti-Christ. Keep on drinking the Koolaid, few recognize the dangers lurking around liberalism’s corner. Would it be better to let your nation be destroyed than to fight for your blood bought freedom? I don’t see it happening, but if the figth broke out where would you stand, or where would you run to? The war for independence was not popular, many of the movers and shakers of that day were believers, but they did not form a socialistic form of government. The duped citizens of our country are ready to swallow it hook, line, and sinker (fishin’ lingo - at no additional cost). One thing the founders had that few in America today have is understanding, it came from God. Go back to your false messiah, your god doesn’t give you any understanding as to what this country was founded on, and why it was founded.

  • 32 Fred Sinclair // Apr 17, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    e.t. “crazy” - I believe those are the exact words someone uttered back in 1861, but brother against brother and father against son was the result of those crazy God fearing Christians who were slaughtered by the tens of thousands on the various Civil War Battlefields of the day. Of course its crazy - that entire war (1861 - 1865) was crazy. The battle of little round top was insanity, which is why I’d prefer to vote the liberals out of office.

    I’m not crazy - but neither am I naive enough to think it can’t happen.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 33 mindknumbed kid // Apr 17, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Mercy, grace, and peace be upon Angus the Scot as he enters into another year of life.

  • 34 mindknumbed kid // Apr 17, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    That’s right, Fred doesn’t drink Evian! Your marbles are still loose ET, pick ‘em up and take them to as safe location, there may be some shooting break out ’round here eventually….and some here just don’t miss.

  • 35 Fred Sinclair // Apr 17, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Speaking of Angus the Scot I just received this from him - it’s precious, a little Asian girl singing “The Lord’s Prayer”.

    WV - Mr vigorously - no comment

  • 36 mindknumbed kid // Apr 17, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    oops, -s = a safe location.

    wv: Spencer office. Reminds me of a story from the hills of West Virginia, in the town of Spencer (Roane County). A mother there took her teenage daughter to see the local doctor (at his office) as she had been feeling ill.Well, it turned out that the young girl was pregnant, not knowing exactly how to break the news to her mother, the doctor asked her if her daughter had ever had intercourse. Her mother answered, “I don’t know doc, but if the welfare will pay for it, go ahead and give it to her”.

  • 37 mindknumbed kid // Apr 17, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    That cute little girl has several very cute videos on youtube, watch ‘em all and get a blessing!

  • 38 mindknumbed kid // Apr 17, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    Lost In Cyberspace? PUSH !!

  • 39 Fred Sinclair // Apr 17, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    The Gopher State is highlighted in today’s “Human Events”

    Probable Pawlenty? By John Gizzi

    Pawlenty is praised as the most conservative governor in the state’s history but Bob Novak is raising questions. Seems that like Bush, Pawlenty is preaching out of Algore’s bible on global warming. Instead of exposing the hoax for what it is.

    Worse yet he’s joined the Jennifer Granholm school of liberalism, by raising taxes on tobacco.

    To his credit he’s with McCain on the war on terrorists and unlike McCain, he’s heck for leather on border security.

    The talk seems centered on his being McCain’s running mate come November. I guess with the Democrats in a self destruct mode it don’t matter much although I personally would prefer a McCain/Brown or McCain/Rice ticket.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 40 debass // Apr 17, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    How about Ahmed Yousef for BO’s running mate, since they agree on so many issues?

  • 41 mindknumbed kid // Apr 17, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Ahmadinejad is rumored to also be on the short list, BO is anxious to talk to him. ET is also on the list, I am told.

  • 42 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 17, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    To celebrate his open-armed welcome into the inner sanctums of the world’s vilest heathen barbarians, BO tap-danced around for a while singing, “I feel pretty!” all the while deftly keeping his lapel centered in the lenses of the thousands of flashing cameras.
    Meanwhile, a spontaneous, impromptu session by dozens of internationally renowned ukulele masters performing an extended, unplugged version of Willie Dixon’s Little Red Rooster (1962) went largely unnoticed despite their florescent, multi-colored, faux polyester, Polynesian leisure suits.

  • 43 PanamaRed // Apr 17, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    So is “Jimmuh” going to start “Habitat for Hamas” and build reinforced concrete bunkers for the Katyushka rockets it so generously gives to Israel?
    Sorry E.T., but if it comes to having to snipe at liberals, you start at the top and work your way down unless you get a whack at one that is a particular PITA. Once you get rid of the heads, the rest of the liberals will have no instructions on what to do or say and will probably head for Mexico to do work Mexicans won’t do…..
    PS: Don’t try to guilt trip me with that “and you call yourself a Christian!” like you did with Fred. In theory, I’d drop you like a rock and give thanks I judged the range and wind speed correctly. Turning the other cheek had social connotations when first uttered, not now. If you want to turn the other cheek, better be sure there are no brass knuckles in that first slap!
    I try to live my life as peacefully as I can but I’m not gonna offer myself up as a sacrificial lamb to be killed on the alter of liberal socialism, sorry.

    wv. the guards - self explanatory (kinda coincidental huh?

  • 44 Fred Sinclair // Apr 17, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    Angus - So it’s that time again, congrats for having successfully looped the sun one more time. Once I figured the milage while riding the earth’s rotation, added the milage of the earth’s orbit and the billions of miles traveled in one year impressed me, that I was an intergalactic space traveler riding on spaceship earth. So you are too. Happy Birthday, Astronaut Angus the Scot; I’m wishing you many more circumnavigations of the sun.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 45 Obama and the Pope // Apr 18, 2008 at 12:27 am

    [...] Hamas Endorses Obama Other Super Delegates to Follow. [...]

  • 46 F3 Coalition - [Faith. Family. Freedom.] » Blog Archive » Podcast: The Pope and Obama // Apr 18, 2008 at 12:35 am

    [...] Hamas Endorses Obama Other Super Delegates to Follow. [...]

  • 47 Fred Sinclair // Apr 18, 2008 at 6:15 am

    No…no… of course the liberals aren’t stripping away our freedoms.When a business is forced to plead with a city panel for permission to post a “Speak English” sign; somethings very rotten.

    From DRUDGE today:

    “Speak English” Signs OK at Philly Shop — PHILADELPHIA %28AP%29 - The owner of a famous cheesesteak shop did not discriminate when he posted signs asking customers to speak English%2C a city panel ruled Wednesday.

    No one should be accused of discrimination for a “Speak English” sign. But left unchecked it will only get worse. Already I’ve read of people not being hired, solely because they weren’t bi-lingual and didn’t speak the Spanish or Mexican language. (how about a dozen other languages while they’re at it?)

    What’s next? The homosexuals getting a law requiring new employees to be bi-sexual as well as bi-lingual to avoid charges of discrimination?

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 48 Fred Sinclair // Apr 18, 2008 at 6:18 am


  • 49 Libby Gone // Apr 18, 2008 at 7:20 am

    Liberalism doesn’t adversly affect anyone, it affects everyone.

  • 50 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 18, 2008 at 8:56 am

    Hooray for Joe Vento in Philly! This stupid thing had been dragging on and on since October, 2005; he’s a cool guy-sort of an anti-Soup Nazi.
    I once saw him say in an interview that if somebody comes up to his counter and he can’t understand their order, he jovially hands them a Cheese Steak and moves on to the next customer.

  • 51 boberinyetagain // Apr 18, 2008 at 10:50 am

    –adjective 1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
    2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
    3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
    4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
    5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
    6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
    7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
    8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

    How dare anyone aspire to these things! Those founding fathers had it all wrong, rat bastards!

  • 52 boberinyetagain // Apr 18, 2008 at 11:16 am

    Makes me feel “dirty” to be even marginally associated with such shameful ideas

  • 53 da Bunny // Apr 18, 2008 at 11:29 am

    The idiot democrats can’t even run a competent primary, and they are in the process of demonstrating their total incompetence in their “control” of the current Congress. These people can’t run anything but their mouths…

  • 54 boberinyetagain // Apr 18, 2008 at 11:30 am

    What a moron, where does he come up with these wacky ideas? Probably a “liberal” whom Fred would like to shoot…Fred?

    UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Countries that act unilaterally on the world stage undermine the authority of the United Nations and weaken the broad consensus needed to confront global problems, Pope Benedict said on Friday.

    In a major speech to the U.N. General Assembly, the pope also said that the international community sometimes had to intervene when a country could not protect its own people from “grave and sustained violations of human rights.”

  • 55 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 18, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    Just ranting

    Thank you for your MS Walk pledge.

    Of course, I will send you a SNAIL MAIL THANKS!

  • 56 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 18, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Wha happen?

  • 57 RedPepper // Apr 18, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    boberin #54: Il Papa is obviously one of those raving neo-cons, boberin ! “Countries that act unilaterally on the world stage … ” - like Saddam’s Iraq invading Kuwait, f’rinstance?
    “Undermine the authority of the United Nations … ” - like thumbing your nose at 16 straight U.N. resolutions ?

    “ … grave and sustained violations of human rights … ” - like gassing the Kurds, and destroying the environment in the home areas of the Marsh Arabs ?

    So in the case of such abuses, it may be necessary “to intervene … ”? Why, the man’s nothing but a warmonger!

    Can a Pope be impeached, I wonder?

  • 58 Fred Sinclair // Apr 18, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    bya #54 - So far I’ve never shot at anybody who wasn’t shooting at me first. Right now I’d like to learn that the FBI was on hand to take Mr. Carter into custody where he can then be charged with giving aid and comfort to the enemy during time of war. aka Treason
    Sue Wilkins Myrick is a North Carolina congresswoman who has according to Rush, requested Condi Rice to invalidate Carters passport. Rush requests that she do so, while he’s out of the country.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 59 Fred Sinclair // Apr 18, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    I’m sick of Walgreen’s ads promoting their involvement in combating manmade global warming. So I sent the following to their corporate headquarters:

    I just wanted you to know (not that you’d care) but at age 70, I have shopped Walgreens for many, many years. All my prescriptions were through your pharmacy - different locations, different cities.

    No more. I’m stupid enough without continuing to do business with Corporate entities who are even stupider than myself. Recent T.V. ads are saying that Walgreens has bought into and is participating in The Great Algore hoax.

    The idea of “Manmade Global warming” is so idiotic that only certifiable idiots would be fooled and I will not trust the filling of my prescriptions to idiots.

    Please check the facts before committing yourself to a “Chicken Little ‘The sky is falling’ hoax. It’s a scam that has the gullible buying phoney ‘Carbon Credits’ and England already has injunctions forbidding the showing of Algore’s faked film “An Inconvenient Truth” without an accompanying caveat noting that 12 provable inaccuracies in the movie.

    There are millions of people who know the truth about Algore. When you look, the temperature flattened in 1998 and has dropped to 1895 level. It’s a scam and you’ve become part of it with your involvement.

    Science is science and there is no such thing as a consensus of scientists. Science is no part of any consensus. Wake up and check and verify the facts.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 60 Just Ranting // Apr 18, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    Ms RW: re: 55

    I appreciate the thought but please don’t feel compelled to send me a snail mail thanks. I’m glad to know you received it, and it is thanks enough.

    wv: Powell less…Nonsense! I’ve never felt more emPowelled in my life.

  • 61 boberinyetagain // Apr 18, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Fred, my apologies. I thought you had been advocating a war with liberals earlier in the thread, thought shooting them was part of your suggestion. Doubful that the Pope will shoot at you anytime soon (but then God did say to arm ourselves so one never knows for certain).

    As for UN sanctions being ignored I believe His Holiness is referring to the UN doing something about that if they are so inclined. He even seems to be suggesting that no one country take matters into their own hands but again, I’m sure that view (and thus the Pope) is held as idiotic by those that frequent this site.

  • 62 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 18, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Hamass especially appreciates the BO faux flair for falsehood.

    I deduce that BO recognizes his own utterly futile fantasies will remain unfulfilled-that he’s finished-so he’s going to say whatever he feels like saying because it doesn’t matter—he’s had his extended 15 minutes—his misanthropic core will continue to erupt until his sector of Earth is scorched beyond recognition.
    I predict:
    1) He will end up spewing hatred (a la the Pastor of BO).
    2) He will weep in Denver.

  • 63 Fred Sinclair // Apr 18, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    bya #61 - First you need an idea; next you need a hammer; then comes a chisel; finally you need a block of marble.(and a lot of patience)

    After that it’s simply a matter of chip,chip, chipping away and eventually, if no one stops you, you end up with a statue. It may be of David, Venus de Milo, Atlas, The thinker or whatever you have in mind.

    The chips may be big (around the legs or base) or using light taps and a tiny chisel an itsy bitsy chip (around the eyes, nostrils and lips). In any case you continue chipping away studiously everything that don’t conform to your idea, dream, plan or vision.

    So with the perfect Socialist State as a vision, the liberals have been chipping away at America for decade after decade.

    The previously mentioned (# 47) discrimination complaint about a “Speak English” sign is just another little chip. Spotted Owls, Darter snails, steel spikes in trees for logger’s chainsaws, phony claims about the moose and polar bears, bigger government, entitlement programs, higher taxes, same sex marriage, abortion, anti Christian agenda, etc., etc.

    All with the singular purpose of remaking America in their own image. and that is why the must be defeated in the elections and hopefully not on the battlefields.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 64 boberinyetagain // Apr 18, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Democracy sucks! It’s like asking the majority of people what they would prefer and then doing that.
    Who’s bright idea was that anyway? Stupid founding fathers! King George would never have allowed us to “sink” so low but left to our own devices…all heck breaks loose.

  • 65 boberinyetagain // Apr 18, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Before you know it we’ll have policies that benefit all of mankind…then where would we be?
    Heck in a handbasket, that’s where!

  • 66 DrivebyMeteor // Apr 18, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    “Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.” — Winston Churchill

  • 67 Libby Gone // Apr 18, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Jeeze Boberin, bad friday?
    Democracy indeed would suck, thats why we enjoy representitive Government. Majority rule always ends in mob mentality mayhem.
    I also agree with your definitions above of Liberal. Anyone who truly enspouses THOSE ideals has every right to. I just don’t need them side stepping the Constitution, and twisting Law to “Force their beliefs down my throat!”.
    ever heard that argument before?

  • 68 mindknumbed kid // Apr 18, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    da bunny - The modern day dems have so many factions that they are self-gridlocking. Pull every republican out of the mix and they still wouldn’t get anything passed.

  • 69 mindknumbed kid // Apr 18, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    Maybe they’re too afraid of offending someone (other than right wing Christians) to do anything.

  • 70 RedPepper // Apr 18, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    Libby Gone #67: I suspect the reason that boberin thinks “Democracy sucks!” is that democracy gave us 8 years of George W. Bush.

    Patience, boberin. In a very short time, you’ll have a chance to see just how much democracy really can suck! I’m betting that you won’t like things any better than you do right now, though …

    And, BTW, bob - on the issue of countries “taking matters into their own hands … ” - are you referring to Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait? If not- if you mean to imply that the U.S. was “acting unilaterally … ” - that isn’t the way I remember it. I seem to recall some rather lengthy discussions that took place, in the U.N., prior to our invasion - didn’t you have them on your TV ? Hint: Colin Powell ? You’ve heard of him, right ?

  • 71 da Bunny // Apr 18, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    mkk #68…that’s the truth. The dims are tiptoeing through the mine field of their various “voting blocs”…pretending to be all things to all whiners, and ending up serving no one but themselves.

  • 72 Fred Sinclair // Apr 18, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    bya #64 ” It’s like asking the majority of people what they would prefer and then doing that.”

    Boy-o-boy are you ever behind the times, back in the good old days of Alley Oop. He’s the king of the jungle jive. Look at that caveman go! When Alley was busy riding his dinosaur, your definition was valid.

    But you overlooked the liberal position that the Constitution is a “living, breathing, ever changing (with the times) document”

    The ‘corrected’ translation reads “Democracy reigns! It’s like asking the minority of people what they would prefer and then passing laws to force the majority to kowtow to the will of the minority. aka bend over and grab your ankles.

    There is no other explanation for how the tiny minority of homosexuals (2%) has been able to force (pass laws) the majority to accept, and teach in schools that such perversion is normal.

    Is. 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    “When the people learn they can vote themselves cake and champagne and force you to pay for it….they will. (Robert A. Heinlin)

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 73 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 18, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    I wonder (in a slap-stick sense) if the archetypical “Superdelegate” is Howard Dean the Screamin’ Machine.
    Or, perhaps, in the sense that there’s more than a tinge of insanity in the entire scheme—in the shadows, a four-piece band of Ukulele Enthusiast gypsies deftly played a variety of folk songs by Rimsky-Korsakov on period instruments.

  • 74 mindknumbed kid // Apr 18, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    I’m beginning to believe that our currency has figured out that it has no established value. It goes like water down a drain, the more you get the more you will need, cycling out of control (?) perhaps.
    I am no expert, don’t know much, just a common run of the mill speculator, maybe you know more. What will it matter in a million years?

  • 75 BlackLion31U // Apr 18, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    While most of us are out in the real world struggling under the pitiful 8 years of Bush, you people stay tucked away in your internet social closet and spew anger and hatred. What have you all got to be angry about? Your President has been in office 8 years. Your party has had the opportunity to take this country from the depths of the Clinton administration and turn it into the promised Utopia of your policies.

    Boberin, keep up the good work. Know that it is in vein.

    Fred, at your age, and with the things you’ve expressed in this thread, you really need a professional to look after you.

    And mindnumb kid, your name fits. If you or Fred had the intestinal fortitude to actually carry out what you are implying here, then why the heck aren’t you out there with our brave services members, fighting a war they shouldn’t be in.

    The fact is you don’t! You’re cowards! You can talk a good game here were it’s safe in cyber world, but you’re glad to let someone else actually do your fighting for you.

    Conservatism and liberalism are healthy for our country and our future. Its twisted minds like yours Fred and yours MNK, which jeopardizes this country’s future.

    I’m outta here,

  • 76 PanamaRed // Apr 18, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    That definition of liberal doesn’t apply to those I see willing to take the name but be that as it may, socialist or communist is much closer to our form of government today. You can have your ‘rights’, just don’t complain about the restrictions that get put on them.
    Socialists will let you run your mouth all day long because that represents no real threat. Own a firearm and see how many restrictions can be put on a ‘right’. Think you’re safe in your home? Anonymous call to the police saying they heard a gunshot(s) from your abode and knock knock, we’re coming in, then you get searched, house torn up and even if theres no gun, anything else you may have (antique sword) gets taken until the investigation is finished. Oh yes, we do have rights don’t we? My bad.

    wv who conducted arthur fiedler

  • 77 gafisher // Apr 18, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    mkk Re#74: “… our currency … goes like water down a drain … What will it matter in a million years?”

    Perhaps all that worthless currency will become our great-great-great-grand descendants’ oil. Hey, maybe our cars are running on what Fred’s Alley Oop couldn’t spend! Support inflation, for the children! :lol:

  • 78 Fred Sinclair // Apr 18, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Liberals look to the Government for all the things they aren’t man (or woman) enough to own up to what should be their own personal responsibility.

    Children being raised in liberal education schools with no respect for themselves or others. Respect is earned bwo character, and integrity where your word is your worth and your worth is your word. If one’s word is worthless then he may be a male, but he’s definitely not a man.

    Robert Heinlein summed it up rather well in his book “Time Enough For Love”

    “A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.”
    Excerpt from the notebooks of Lazarus Long

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 79 mindknumbed kid // Apr 18, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    vein? vane? vain? ah, what’s the difference…

  • 80 Fred Sinclair // Apr 18, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    God Bless America and God Bless George W. Bush, who with all his imperfections has managed to thwart the hundreds of attempts by the terrorists to recreate 9/11.

    He could have forced the wall/fence and begun deporting millions of illegals. He could have condemned the Algore religion for the hoax it is, so he’s not perfect.

    But on the over all view, he’d done what he was hired to do, Unlike the Clinton, Inc. administration. Fortunately the Democrats have guaranteed McCain an overwhelming victory this November.

    In no small part, thanks to the Rush’s “Operation Chaos”, which has proven successful beyond belief.

    Long live Rush Limbaugh, George Bush and Operation Chaos!!!

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 81 Libby Gone // Apr 18, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Bright Beautiful Moon o’er the land of the free tonight. God Bless America.

  • 82 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 19, 2008 at 6:20 am

    The NFL Infant upon whose forehead the pope put a smooch is declining interviews, citing ongoing contract negotiations regarding all merchandising rights in perpetuity spawned by the upcoming documentary currently in development, for the 8×10’s to get back from the print shop and the interactive web site to come online.
    The NFL Infant, inspired by The Truman Show (1998), said, “Somebody help me, I’m being spontaneous!”

  • 83 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 19, 2008 at 6:44 am

    I’d like to share this which underscores just who BO finds attractive.
    Thank you

  • 84 gafisher // Apr 19, 2008 at 6:50 am

    Fred Re#80: “He could have forced the wall/fence …

    Remember that this is also an eminent domain issue. A big part of the border security issue results from the fact we’ve let people buy homes and businesses right at the very edge — some of those smuggler’s tunnels we’ve heard of are little more than holes knocked through adjoining basement walls. Because of that, the border fence project isn’t just a matter of driving posts and stringing wire; it involves putting people out of their homes and businesses.

    Now, we could argue for a long time whether letting land so close to the border become private property was a good idea (does The Gummint own land by default until, in its good pleasure, it grants it to a private owner?) but even if we decided who was at fault ten or fifty or a hundred years ago when a particular piece of property became someone’s home or livelihood, the fact remains that our entire Constitution was built upon, and designed to defend, the concept of defending of individual liberty against the power of the state.

    The Soviet Union was able to build the Berlin Wall virtually overnight, and the United States certainly has the technical and engineering prowess to put up the Border Fence in an equally timely fashion. The difference lies in the fact that the U.S.S.R. put the state above the individual; homes and businesses along the Wall could simply be bulldozed out of the way for what was deemed The Public Good. Thank God the United States does not have such a cavalier attitude toward its citizens, but understand that our system does slow the wheels of progress from time to time.

  • 85 Fred Sinclair // Apr 19, 2008 at 7:26 am

    On April 1st the atheist celebrated their holiday: Psa. 53:1 “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God…..”

    Now there is another holiday on April 22nd. “Earth Day” for those who choose to worship their god, Gaia (from Greek mythology) instead of Jesus.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 86 Darthmeister // Apr 19, 2008 at 7:58 am

    I’ve always said the left in this country and the Islamofascists make very strange bedfellows … and bedfellows they are despite their self-induced blindness of those in denial on the left.

    SHOCK: NEW YORK TIMES POSTS LOSS; worst period ‘company and newspaper industry have seen’…

    Shock??? More like the chickens have come home to roost for the New York Slimes, one of this most lie-filled, unpatriotic rags in America. The liberals rail that the New York Slimes accurately quotes Obamalamadumdum and then remain silent when the Slimes puts words in John McCain’s mouth. Already the Slimes has had to print two retractions concerning accurate comments made by Mr. McCain regarding the various relationships between Hamas, al Qaeda, the Sunnis and the Shias - all being Islamofascists in the final analysis. The Slimes is so “nuanced” when trying to shill for messiah Obama but actually makes up comments supposedly made by John McCain. The folks at Powerline have thoroughly fisked the Slimes on this journalistic debacle.

  • 87 Fred Sinclair // Apr 19, 2008 at 8:03 am

    gafisher #84 You are right, probably more right than you know.

    I have often poised the question; “If someone offered you a brand new Mercedes for $100.00 with no ‘original’ paperwork, would you buy it?” Almost everyone said, “No.” their reason was that it could only be a stolen car. I cited that as my reason for having refused to buy a house, built on stolen property. With a few isolated exceptions most of the properties in America were obtained by someone in past history murdering the owners or driving them off to be relocated on “Reservations” sort of like was done to American Citizens with Japanese ancestry during WWII.

    There are a lot of properties along the border that could be, and perhaps should be an eminent domain issue.

    Better than using eminent domain to seize property because someone else can make better (more profitable) use of it.
    So you will get no argument from me as I’m in agreement with what you wrote.

    I doubt that the Louisiana Purchase resulted in Title,Deeds signed by the Native American residents; nor were they in receipt of any fair and equitable remuneration.

    Heirborn Ranger

    P.S. This is only my personal belief and in no way reflects on my many relatives who hold to contrary beliefs. fs

  • 88 Darthmeister // Apr 19, 2008 at 8:15 am

    Bober, quit hiding behind manipulated definitions of “liberalism.” The liberalism of today is little more than warmed over neo-Marxism.

    The founding fathers were what one would call classical liberals - believed in limited government, that every law-abiding, sane person has a right to bear arms in defense of onesself, family or country, that our unalienable rights were bequeath to us by God and not the State, believed in strong private property rights.

    Tragically, recent history has demonstrated that those on your side of the aisle, though paying lip service to the concepts of founding liberty are actually opposed to the very substance of those things I listed above. It is you and the other brain-dead collectivist fascists on your side of the aisle who will prove to be opposed to the natural rights of man and lady liberty herself. How ironic that a person who spews so much rhetoric about personal freedom and resonsibility ultimately finds himself so wrong on the basic facts about real “liberalism”.

    If you truly have an open mind, you would understand this reality when you read this non-partisan analysis of the kind of liberalism embraced by the American founders.

    It’s been my experience that most liberals today are to the left of Stalin on moral issues and just to the right of Stalin on issues about central government and collectivism. Hence my reference to modern liberals as little more than neo-Marxists, despite whatever glowing definition you might find to shore up your warped view of reality.

    Blacklion, you’re a pathetic, self-righteous, blind political hack. You’re going to hate your way to world peace I see. Still lying to yourself about how noble you are and how infallible your opinions are, eh? I thought the earmark of someone who is as progressive you believe yourself to be is that you’re willing to consider that there are other opinions just as legitimate as your own and that you shouldn’t be making moral judgments with respect to people who hold contrary opinions because, after all, you don’t believe in absolute truth, you despise those who do (i.e. Christian fundies), and morals are all relative. Hypocrite!

    From my POV you’re little more than a despot in the making. I suppose you’re an Obamamaniac to boot.

  • 89 Fred Sinclair // Apr 19, 2008 at 8:25 am

    Darthmeister #86 - “… one of this most lie-filled, unpatriotic rags in America.”

    I’m glad you said ‘one of’ instead of ‘the’ as I am all too familiar with “The Saint Petersburg Times” people I knew, working there I would upset by asking what bank they used to get their paychecks converted from Rubles into dollars? Pravada was more Christian Conservative than them.

    A good friend’s daughter working for them (she acted and talked as if Jimmy Carter was in fact “God on earth”) when she tried to deny the liberal bias, I offered her a bet of $500.00 (with her father holding the wager) that I would buy for her two ’scrap books’; in “A” she would cut and paste all articles Pro America or Pro Reagan. in “B” she would put all articles anti American or Anti Reagan.

    She would win if she filled one side of one page in book “A” or failed to fill both sides of all pages in book “B”, in one year. I made the offer in front of her father and not being a total fool, she rejected the bet. (I knew as well as she that I would win.)

    Heirborn Ranger

    P.S. They haven’t improved with time and if anything, today they’re worse. fs

  • 90 gafisher // Apr 19, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Fred Re#87: “This is only my personal belief and in no way reflects on my many relatives who hold to contrary beliefs. fs

    I suspect a lot of us could say the same. (-:

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