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Outrage Over ‘Michael J. Embryo’ Ad

by Scott Ott for ScrappleFace · 138 Comments · · Print This Story Print This Story

(2006-10-25) — Claire McCaskill, the Democrat candidate for U.S. Senate from Missouri, expressed outrage today over a political ad produced in response to a TV commercial run by her campaign featuring actor Michael J. Fox, who has Parkinson’s Disease.

The response ad, entitled ‘Michael J. Embryo’, which quickly became one of the least-played videos on, features a still photo of an infant in the womb with a voiceover apparently recorded by the child himself.

Mrs. McCaskill said her use of a writhing and twitching Mr. Fox to highlight her support of expanded funding for embryonic stem cell research was “fair play”, and simply meant to show that incumbent Sen. Jim Talent “while talking about the importance of family ties, actually wants Alex P. Keaton to suffer and die.”

However, she said the Michael J. Embryo ad “absolutely crosses the line” by using a fetal actor to “stir up the irrational compassion of voters who should never be forced to think about the implications of stem cell research.”

The ScrappleFace Enterprise Institute, a satirical think-tank which produced the response ad, said an earlier version of the spot showed the baby in the womb moving about, sucking its thumb and appearing to yawn, but that was considered “too emotionally charged.”

“We decided to go with the still photo,” said an unnamed Institute spokesman, “because we didn’t want to beat people over the head with the obvious, or give them false hopes that a cure would be found for abortion.”

The spokesman declined requests for ultrasound interviews with the intra-uterine actor, adding that “he’s not a very public person…at least not at this point.”

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138 responses so far ↓

  • 1 camojack // Oct 25, 2006 at 7:06 am

    Something is a bit “shaky” about all of this…

  • 2 Sandy Burglar // Oct 25, 2006 at 7:13 am

    The cure for abortion involves Republicans keeping control of the country for the next 10-15 years and spinal transplants for all members of the house and senate.

    Any donors?

  • 3 camojack // Oct 25, 2006 at 7:17 am

    …of course, to clarify, I meant the business of Michael J. Fox. I heard he went off of his medication to exacerbate his condition, in an attempt to support a dubious agenda…which is what embryonic stem cell research is at this point.

  • 4 Scott Ott // Oct 25, 2006 at 7:25 am

    Outrage Over ‘Michael J. Embryo’ Ad

    by Scott Ott(2006-10-25) — Claire McCaskill, the Democrat candidate for U.S. Senate from Missouri, expressed outrage today over a political ad produced in response to a TV commercial run by her campaign featuring actor Michael J. Fox, who has…

  • 5 gafisher // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:12 am

    Any bets on how soon the You Tube Lefties get a block on this as “inappropriate” like they did on the recent Maddie Notbright ad?

  • 6 Maggie // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:15 am

    Good Morning everybody,

    and… medicine is ON and that is a good thing :>)

  • 7 Maggie // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:23 am


    What a moving video……(wiping away the tears)

  • 8 Thomas Crown // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:31 am

    What rubes. What dense Limbaugh clones.
    Don’t you know that it’s MEDICATION for Parkinson’s that AGGRAVATES erratic movements. Fox had the movements of a classic patient under treatment.
    Before Republicans form hard medical judgements maybe they should get a second opinion. Just don’t go to Bill “My TV diagnosis is that Schiavo will live” Frist.

  • 9 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:31 am

    A question to ask DemDonks:

    If you knew your unborn was going to have Parkinson’s Disease, would you won’t to bring him/her into the world? Congratulations, you’ve just aborted Michael J. Fox.

    Reminds me of this one:

    The mother of a family of 14 is pregnant again. Her husband — the father of all 14 of these children — has a history of alcohol abuse and mental disorders which frequently causes him to abuse his other children. The family is impoverished. The mother herself is already worn out from trying to care single-handedly for her large family and it doesn’t appear she can care for another child at this point. On top of all this, two sons in the family also have a history of alcohol abuse, one of the children is in a mental institution, and none of the other children have steady, dependable jobs with which to support mom and dad. Should she abort and get a job herself in hopes of having a better quality of life?

    If you answered abortion, congratulations! You’ve just aborted Ludwig Van Beethoven!


  • 10 Sister Toldjah » Outrage sparked over Michael J. Embryo ad at YouTube // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:44 am

    [...] Via Scrappleface: (2006-10-25) — Claire McCaskill, the Democrat candidate for U.S. Senate from Missouri, expressed outrage today over a political ad produced in response to a TV commercial run by her campaign featuring actor Michael J. Fox, who has Parkinson’s Disease. [...]

  • 11 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:45 am

    I wonder if the Michael J. Fox embryo would have appreciated being used for stem cell research that would have resulted in me growing new cartilage in my knees?

    Those advocating abortion always have the advantage of being already born. What fascists!

  • 12 CalGirl // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:50 am

    Yeah, my Dad could probably have benefited from stem cells to prolong and improve his life. Sure. Let’s kill one human being to save another.

    Somehow that just doesn’t make much sense to me.

  • 13 LeatherPenguin » Scott Ott is Evil // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:59 am

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  • 14 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:59 am

    Before some troll tries to correct me, I know at the present moment scientists aren’t using aborted fetuses for embryonic stem cell research … at least not yet.

    A number of drugs taken for long periods of time or in excessive dosages can cause the shaking symptoms of Parkinson’s disease. These include medications such as haloperidol (Haldol) and chlorpromazine (Thorazine), which are prescribed for certain psychiatric disorders, as well as drugs used to treat nausea, such as metoclopramide (Reglan, Metoclopramide HCL). The epilepsy drug valproate (Depakene) also may cause some of the features of parkinsonism, especially severe tremor.

    These medications do not cause Parkinson’s disease, however, and symptoms disappear when the drugs are stopped.

    The way I understand it, it depends on what kind of drugs Mr. Fox has been using. The more effective drugs aren’t designed to cause more shaking. This would accelerate wearing out the joints involved as well as increasing undesirable side effects like “locking up.” Different medications have differenct effects, so saying going off the meds would “lock” a person up simply isn’t true.

    Medications can help manage problems with walking, movement and tremor by increasing the brain’s supply of dopamine. Your medication needs may change over time, and the drug dosage and timing may require adjustment.

    Mr. Fox can also have a brain implant which can control Parkinson symptoms. Clearly he can afford to do so.

    Also this:

    WILLIAM KOLLER, MD: When the drug’s working, which we call the “on state”, you could be almost normal, and people would say, “Wow, nothing wrong with that person at all,” and then half an hour later when the drug stops working, which we call the “off state”, the patient may be shaking profoundly, not able to get out of a chair, not able to feed themselves.

    Trolls like Thomas Crown are such unabashed liars. It turns out its not even necessary to get off the meds (which can cause a variety of symptoms including having more shakes or “locking up”) but rather what for the medication to start wearing off or coming to the end of the cycle called the “off cycle”. Whatever the case my be, we saw Michael J. Fox in an “off cycle” and it was clearly done for effect.

  • 15 Ms RightWing, Ink // Oct 25, 2006 at 9:05 am

    So answer me this-did the baby get paid at least minimum wage for making the video. What is the going wage for fetal appearances.

    If I was a Democrat I would be all tied in knots trying to figure out the legal implications of this video and would run to the courts and have it stopped


    A fetus, according to Democrats, has no legal rights, so forget all of the above.

  • 16 radishthegreat // Oct 25, 2006 at 9:07 am

    All the research that has shown actual promise for “cures” has been from adult stem cells. No one’s trying to shut down that research. But don’t let facts get in the way of a good sound bite…

    Has MJF offered his sperm and his wife’s eggs to make embryos to study? Of course not. Wonder why.

  • 17 egospeak // Oct 25, 2006 at 9:16 am

    This thread is amazing in so many way that I don’t know where too begin…

  • 18 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 9:36 am

    I get so tired of trolls coming here and lying. Here’s more of the interview at

    WILLIAM KOLLER, MD: Most commonly, a patient will say, “I take my medicine. It takes 25 minutes to kick in. Then I’m good for two and a half hours. Then the medicine wears off, and my (tremor) symptoms reemerge.” So for many patients, it can be quite predictable.

    On the other hand, there are some patients who the changing of state between on and off can be very unpredictable. It can be very rapid, as well.

    DEE EDWARD SILVER, MD: They have to be able to recognize that they’re getting worse, their tremor is getting worse, they’re slowing down, they can’t get out of the chair as easily, feed themselves as easily or they can’t walk as well.

    This can be a result of the medication “wearing off” or an “off cycle” or weaning yourself of the medication. What trolls have been saying about “locking up” is not necessarily indicated and again it is reasonable to assume that Michael J. Fox took advantage of his maximum tremor mode using one of the three modalities above.

  • 19 onlineanalyst // Oct 25, 2006 at 9:41 am

    “Rush said what doctors and other experts were saying off the record on Monday when the news of the Michael J. Fox ads were fresh to the election buzzlines: That it looked like he must have laid off his medication to make sure viewers would have a worse-day kinda look at life with Parkinson’s. As Limbaugh has pointed out, Fox admitted he does such things (like when testifying before a congressional committee) in his memoir. I knew this because I watched the E True Hollywood Story on Fox (true story, alas). That’s not to say that he doesn’t suffer — he obviously does. But the hard-to-watch Fox ads we’ve seen this week were, like most political ads, made in Spin City.

    “To make the point Rush made was not mean or heartless. Just as Jim Talent’s position or Michael Steele’s on stem-cell research isn’t mean or heartless. It was an honesty check — a worthwhile and fair one considering the disingenuousness that is characteristic of this debate — the Fox ads just being the latest examples in a long line. As Rush pointed out on his show yesterday (scroll down), it’s mean to give people false hope. And when it’s suggested in no subtle way that sick people will be sick if Democrats lose and cured if Republicans do — it’s being done now in Missouri, among other places and it’s been done before (think John Edwards as snakeoil salesman in 2004 ) — that’s mean. And that was Limbaugh’s point.”

    This is the objective, dispassionate observation of K-Lo at NRO’s “The Corner”.

  • 20 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 25, 2006 at 9:45 am

    As I said in my post yesterday, the issue (in my opinion) in the MO vote is the cloning of human embryos for destruction. Amendment 2 would write a constitutional right to human cloning into the state constitution, putting the complicated issue above the reach of the elected legislature.

    I don’t care what despicable disease a person has, how can anyone be for that!?!

    I hate to say it but M. J. Fox is, at best, a dupe. The ad he performs in is disturbing on many levels, no doubt, but the thing his performance clouds (and I have a feeling this was intentional) and disturbs me the most: It is full of lies.

  • 21 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 9:48 am

    The Unconscionable Claims of Michael J. Fox.

  • 22 Shelly // Oct 25, 2006 at 9:56 am

    Scott, I don’t know how you continuously outdue yourself, but you have done it again! This is absolutely brilliant. Talk about getting to the truth of the matter.

  • 23 Armand // Oct 25, 2006 at 10:02 am

    Why can’t the RNC take that ad nationally?
    Great work Scott.

  • 24 vittles scooper // Oct 25, 2006 at 10:10 am

    Darthmeister - Thank you for the link to Dr. Mary L. Davenport’s article detailing the utterly false claims in all the Michael J. Fox ads on embryonic stell research.

    Mr. Scott Ott - Breathtaking work sir.

  • 25 vittles scooper // Oct 25, 2006 at 10:11 am

    cell research

  • 26 MargeinMI // Oct 25, 2006 at 10:15 am


    The Maestro Ott’s nuanced sledgehammer of satire just amazes me!

    Another Scrappleface Classic.

  • 27 upnorthlurkin // Oct 25, 2006 at 10:16 am

    Scott, you ROCK!! Let the howling begin!!!

  • 28 blawgdawg // Oct 25, 2006 at 10:24 am

    Hmm, I hope you don’t get arrested for violating campaign finance laws by mentioning the candidate’s name close to an election.

  • 29 upnorthlurkin // Oct 25, 2006 at 10:28 am

    CAT, re: your post on the last thread…#120, awesome!

  • 30 RedPepper // Oct 25, 2006 at 10:44 am

    The end is near.

    I predict that, in two weeks, many of our recent visitors will be plunged into semi-catatonia, periodically interrupted by uncontrollable trembling, writhing, and episodes of Tourette’s Syndrome.

    In other words, terminal BDS.

  • 31 conserve-a-tip // Oct 25, 2006 at 10:53 am

    Good morning all. It’s raining!!!! Yipeee. It means that we have to mow the grass again, but I don’t care. Any drop of rain that we get is a blessing.

    Scott, this is one of your best. It is so good, that it could actually be plausible - and talk about the truth hurting - oh my gosh!!!

    Upnorthlurkin - thank you. I was up at 2 am this morning because I drank a pot of hot tea yesterday afternoon, and since I don’t do caffeine, I guess that I was wired. Didn’t know it would have that effect on me!! I considered moving it over to this thread because I thought nobody would see it. That book is really, really good if you want to hear the words of history straight from the horse’s mouth.

    Maggie, there was a post for you over on the other thread too…and it was written pretty late as well.

    Heading out into the rain to get food. :-)

  • 32 onlineanalyst // Oct 25, 2006 at 10:56 am

    You are correct, JL3rd (#20 @ 9:45 am), in that the complicit media and their fellow-travelers in the Party of Death misportray the issue. Deliberate cloning of human embryos followed by deliberate destruction of the same smacks of the worst of history’s recorded totalitarian atrocities. To give such power through a state amendment is a pathetic slide down the slippery slope of amoral relativism.

    And how will such expediencies be “sold” to the public when national health care is brought to the table once again? (After all, it will be through taxation that compliance will be enforced.) Who will treated; who not? By what means? Who will be relegated to the waste bin as irrelevant? What will be the determinant of relevancy? “Usefulness to society”? Who will judge that nebulous terminology?

    I shudder to think of such a “brave new world that has such people in it”. Talk about tinkering with Utopia!

  • 33 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 10:57 am

    Did more study online. Very complex ballet of symptoms vs. medication side effects. It is possible to have joint immobility AND tremors/twitching/weaving. What trolls are referring to as “locking up” is in the pejorative sense of the phrase and is merely a simple-minded, dishonest attempt at an anti-dote to Rush’s or other people’s claims that weaning off certain Parkinson’s medication or having the medication wearing off at different points of the day can cause dyskinesias-like symptoms. To blithely claim coming off Parkinson’s medication causes “lock up” or immobility is flat-out false. In certain cases with certain individuals it can, but they could still be twitching and stiffly weaving.

    “Dyskinesias” is the involuntary movements such as twitching, nodding, and jerking. It can develop in people who are taking large doses of medications like Levodopaâ„¢ over an extended period. But dyskinesisas can occur in “off state/cycle” or as the medication wears off. There are at least ten different drugs and a number of drug combinations to combat Parkinson’s and they can effect each person differently.

  • 34 Napoleon // Oct 25, 2006 at 11:00 am

    Great piece of propaganda Scott! Too bad it’s inaccurate. “A” for effort, though.

    What happens to the thousands of embroyos that are thrown out at fertility clinics? Where is your outrage?

  • 35 Napoleon // Oct 25, 2006 at 11:21 am

    Paraphrased, but my thoughts exactly:

    If Michael J. Fox didn’t take his medication for the ad as you all claim, it could hardly be considered fraudulent: if anything, masking the extent of the disease’s ravages is the deception, not revealing them.

    Darth: I am reluctant to even address your hateful bile but you can concentrate on the messenger or the message. I think I know what you are doing. Typical.

  • 36 Thomas Crown // Oct 25, 2006 at 11:29 am

    I’m not questioning Bush’s patriotism, but what a boob he is, a really historic dummie.

  • 37 Thomas Crown // Oct 25, 2006 at 11:31 am

    Dummie? or dummy?
    Actually, both.

  • 38 Maggie // Oct 25, 2006 at 11:34 am

    Thanks C.A.T. for your kind comments on the last thread.

    It is God(I AM) who gives me strength and hope and peace,I can take no credit. He brings so much joy in my life thru my church, my family( 7 grandchildren) and my friends including those here on SF. Just to think,that we are connected though miles apart and are an encouragement to one another.You are my friends :>)

    I refuse to let these miserable ,unhappy,God hating trolls get me down.”Greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world”.

    “Look up for your Redemption draweth nigh”.

  • 39 Just Ranting // Oct 25, 2006 at 11:39 am

    CAT re: #120 on the previous thread

    This was a great review of the book and the state of political discourse then and now. We were fortunate to have HST when we most needed him as president. I believe history will look at GWB in much the same way. There are those who will quible about the legacy of each of them with regards to priorities and practices. But they were both men of faith and deep integrity who had to make tough decisions early in their presidential tenures. There ability to make the tough calls properly is what history will remember.

    I read David McCullough’s bio “Truman” and found it thorough, if not downright tedious in its level of detail. His bio on John Adams however was the best biography I ever read.

    Thanks again for sharing this information. It was one of the best I’ve read in quite some time, and sure beats troll stomping.

  • 40 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 11:44 am

    #34 Hi ranbutan … or his clone.

  • 41 Considerettes - Conservative commentary served up in bite-sized bits » Missouri’s Cloning Amendment // Oct 25, 2006 at 11:45 am

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  • 42 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 25, 2006 at 11:47 am

    Amen, Maggie. God bless you and yours.

  • 43 iron mike // Oct 25, 2006 at 11:49 am

    I am a board certified neurologist who sees 3-5 parkinsons patients every day. I believe Mr. Fox’s video demonstrates dystonia, not the tremor seen in some patients with parkinson’s. Dystonia may be present at the “peak dose” as an effect of medication (I do not know Mr. Fox’s medication regimen) or as a direct effect of Parkinson’s. I think it is ungenerous to accuse Mr. Fox of intentionally exacerbating his illness for political purposes. I also think it is unwise of Mr. Fox to promote unfounded therapies.

  • 44 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 11:56 am

    Hateful bile? Is that what you call truth now? I haven’t said Fox was faking it or not taking his medication. I am saying that Mr. Fox knows his on and off cycles and clearly took advantage of that to politicize embryonic stem cell research. What I find reprehensible is this man lying about Talent’s stand on the issue and that neither Talent nor most conservative candidates are seeking the discontinuation of PRIVATE research into embryonic stem cell.

    BTW, after fifteen years of pouring hundreds of millions of dollars in research, can you give me one example of where embryonic stem cell research has produced actual results beneficial to any human life? Thought so.

    Adult/umbilical/nasal stem cell research is light-years ahead and could use the infusion of money being poured down the black-hole of embryonic stem cell experimentation which is going on for almost pure political reasons now. The way I understand it, with a few tweaks adult stem cells can be made to do what embryonic stem cells are ALLEGED to be able to do.

  • 45 Ms RightWing, Ink // Oct 25, 2006 at 12:17 pm

    I must admit there was great fear in my heart after some folks took a hit with Google. Praise God, I my eviction notice was not in the mail.

    There is just a short note on the cafe door, but I left the coffee pot on and there are some fresh doughnuts under the plastic Krispy Kreme display tray.


  • 46 conserve-a-tip // Oct 25, 2006 at 12:18 pm

    Just Ranting - thank you. I have also read McCullough’s book and, while I enjoyed it, found Truman’s private papers to be much more revealing of the man.

    Thomas and Neopolitan, I suggest that you go to the last thread and read #120 and then go get the book. Not that you would ever open your mind wide enough to consider the possibility that you might have things skewed, but there is always hope…that is unless you are true leftist socialists with an agenda, rather then old style Democrat.

  • 47 onlineanalyst // Oct 25, 2006 at 12:24 pm

    Apologies if this commentary with its supportive links was posted, but the points are important:

    “Flim-flam is a charitable description. Why would federally-funded research be more promising than state- and privately-funded research? And on what possible basis can the claim be made that embryonic stem cell research is more promising than adult stem cell research?

    “The plain fact is that embryonic stem cell research is proving to be a bust. There are currently 72 therapies showing human benefits using adult stem cells and zero using embryonic stem cells. Scientifically-minded readers can review this medical journal article on the status of adult stem cell research. Adult stem cell therapies are already being advertised and promoted while no such treatments are even remotely in prospect for embryonic stem cell research.”

    More here.

    The Fox ad is based on misleading spin in order to confuse the public on a volatile issue.

  • 48 onlineanalyst // Oct 25, 2006 at 12:26 pm

    Oops, Darthmeister, I see that you already linked the article. (I guess that we are both American thinkers.)

  • 49 Effeminem // Oct 25, 2006 at 12:33 pm

    My buddy Thomas is back! hurrah!

    Personally, I don’t see what the moral problem with cloning is. For the busy executive on-the-go, cloning can handle all his/her procreative needs. Wife left you because you love cash flow projections more than her? Just clone yourself! Can’t afford maternity leave? Have a clone!

    With the miracle of cloning, you no longer need to go through the tedium of sex to have your own little dopplegangers. People with no social skills don’t need to develop them, and best of all, evolution is stopped in its tracks. Take that, evolution!

    Don’t delay - clone today.

    *This message was produced and paid for by BananaClone, a subsidiary of Fujikawa Corporation*

  • 50 Hawkeye // Oct 25, 2006 at 12:40 pm

    Scott, I’m with Shelly #22… BRILLIANT, Absolutely Brilliant!

    It’s amazing how liberals like Linda Stender in New Jersey can run ads bashing Mike Ferguson and George Bush for being against embryonic stem cell research, yet… what is the difference between the harvesting of living embryos for research, or say, the cloning of human beings in order to harvest body parts? You can be sure that the liberals would be outraged over that… at least… I think they would be outraged… Well… now I’m not so sure.

    Correction: Liberals would be outraged over the cloning of humans to harvest body parts if the body parts were used for Republicans, but they wouldn’t be outraged if the body parts were used for Democrats. Yep… that’s what I meant to say.

    (:D) Regards…

  • 51 conserve-a-tip // Oct 25, 2006 at 12:46 pm

    Onlineanalyst and Darthmeister, in a nutshell, the purpose for the fetal embryonic stem cell argument is #1 money (federal grants to those only too happy to put their hand out and sponge off of the government) and #2 to assure that abortion remains legal and that there is no personalization given to a pre-birth baby.

  • 52 conserve-a-tip // Oct 25, 2006 at 12:55 pm

    Hawkeye and Effiminem: I just had a deep thought…do you think that if I made the claim that the harvesting of the embryonic stem cells of liberal couples and then injecting them into terrorists causes permanent blindness in the terrorist, do you think that I could get a big federal grant? Or do you think that liberals would block me on that?

  • 53 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 12:56 pm


    Thank you for your thoughtful post, however, Mr. Fox has admitted to Diane Sawyer in an interview back in 2000 that he has indeed gone off his meds inorder to make a point about Parkinson’s. Mr. Fox also admitted he did so before testifying before Congress in 1999, yet the Diane Sawyer of today has conveniently forgotten that interview. Pretty pathetic for a journalist don’t you think?

    How do I know this to be true? I heard the actual audio of him admitting to such before Diane Sawyer. Do I fault him for doing that? No. But what I do object to is Mr. Fox using his condition as an immunity shot against future criticisms when he goes out and bald-face lies about Senator Jim Talent’s (and other Republicans’/conservatives’) actual stand on the issue. No federal funding (i.e. my tax dollars) for embryonic stem cells, though private research and funding can be legally pursued with existing lines of embryonic stem cells.

  • 54 GnuCarSmell // Oct 25, 2006 at 1:13 pm

    One of the sadder aspects of Michael J. Fox is his exploitation by the snake-oil industry. As others have pointed out, there is zero evidence that stem cells can cure anything. The politicization of science (for taxpayer funds) is what’s afoot — plain and simple.

    Tom Bethell explains:

    “Leaf through Science magazine and you will see that the maintenance of government spending on science is perhaps its leading preoccupation…

    “Scientists have learned to “game the system,” in other words. They didn’t start out that way. But slowly, year by year, they learned to consult their own advantage: Discern a crisis, set up a hue and cry, send out press releases, reward friendly journalists with a heads-up about upcoming results that look newsworthy.
    “Scientists like to see themselves as motivated by idealism, but self-interest is not far behind. Their embrace of politics has undermined the objectivity that is supposed to be central to science. Day-to-day concerns about their own funding and security, and the fate of their latest grant proposals, overwhelm the more abstract concerns they may once have had about the integrity of the scientific method.”

  • 55 Hawkeye // Oct 25, 2006 at 1:17 pm

    C-A-T #52… I think the liberals would block you on that one because they are more concerned about the civil rights of terrorists (especially the foreign-born variety) than they are about the rights of the average American (especially the Republican variety).

    (:D) Regards…

  • 56 RedPepper // Oct 25, 2006 at 1:35 pm

    If the American people decide this election based on how repulsive they think Mark Foley is and whether or not Rush Limbaugh was mean to Michael J. Fox, they will prove that they are exactly as stupid and easily manipulated as the elites have always thought they are.

  • 57 Ms RightWing, Ink // Oct 25, 2006 at 1:59 pm

    This ity-bity article appeared in today’s paper

    Documents Found:

    A drug raid on a Los Alamos scientist’s home in New Mexico turned up what appeared to be classified documents taken from the
    nuclear weapons lab, the FBI said Tuesday.

    What they didn’t say if a pair of socks or algore’s book on global warming was found nearby

  • 58 Napoleon // Oct 25, 2006 at 2:04 pm

    You are opposed to federal funding of embryonic stem cell research because it amounts to state-sanctioned murder. Correct?

    However, private funding of embryonic stem cell research is not murder?

    What about the thousands of embryonic cells that are tossed unceremoniously everyday from fertility clinics?

    Are fertility treatments immoral?

  • 59 Shelly // Oct 25, 2006 at 2:09 pm

    Napolean, you really are dense. The biggest objection to funding embryonic stem cell research is because it has been a TOTAL FAILURE. That money could have gone into research in areas that ACTUALLY WORK and gotten us closer to real treatments or cures.

    Of course, even you are against that. Helping people is obviously not your goal. Just hating them.

  • 60 Effeminem // Oct 25, 2006 at 2:26 pm

    Yes, fertility treatments are immoral. Are you happy now?

  • 61 Napoleon // Oct 25, 2006 at 2:37 pm

    Embryonic stem cell treatments offer more promise than adult stem cells. I can cite just as many, if not more, legit scientific studies to that effect.

    What I suspect is really behind your protestations is that, as Effeminate says, you believe it is immoral. Plain and simple.

    What I believe, and what over 60% of americans agree with, is that your religous beliefs have no business in science. You have every right to believe whatever hocus pocus you want to, just don’t impose it on me and don’t stifle scientific research.

    Isn’t an unjustified war immoral?

  • 62 Shelly // Oct 25, 2006 at 2:59 pm

    RE: 61 ~ No you cannot cite legitimate studies that embryonic offers any more promise. Also consider this - we think killing babies is immoral. Dems are pushing embryonic stem cell research only because it involves killing babies. They prefer killing babies to using adult stem cells. It’s a fact. And you agree with them. What does that say about you? That you prefer dead babies to disease cures.

  • 63 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 25, 2006 at 3:01 pm

    Funny how some people do not know the definition of moral.

  • 64 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 3:11 pm

    No doubt Napoleon is a bad clone of ranbutan. Always resorting to argumentum ad adsurdum instead of dealing with the issue of the lies told by Michael J. Fox regarding various Republican Senators and Congressman. And you calling Michael J. Fox “science” (which is what you’re doing) is laughable.

    And you’re an unabashed liar, too, Nappy. This poll says 48% of Americans oppose stem cell research which requires the destruction of a human embryo whereas on 39% support said funding. Another poll put that number of Americans opposed at 52%. Also, 57% of Americans favored funding only the research avenues that do not harm the donor; only 24% favored funding all stem cell research, including the type that involves destroying embryos.

    What charlatans like you do is make vague references to earlier polls from one, two, or even three years ago when Americans were ignorant of the lies that people on your side of the aisle were telling about the supposed efficacy of embryonic stem cell research and all the miracles said research was going to produce. Americans have wised up to serpents like you.

    Caught in your web of lies and deceit again, eh troll?

    Isn’t an unjustified war immoral? Duh! Who says the war on terrorism/Iraq is/was immoral? DemDonks and Islamofascists? I know Usama bin Laden has described our war on terrorism as another example of immoral Crusader imperialism. Change a few terms and its not much different than what you’re claiming. That ought to tell you something Nappy.

  • 65 GnuCarSmell // Oct 25, 2006 at 3:19 pm

    We may witness a mass twitch on November 8 if Democrats don’t win the House as advertised. They will no doubt suffer an epidemic of Parkinson-like symptoms if they voters prove pollsters wrong. The entertainment value alone is reason enough to vote Republican.

    Come to think of it, some Dem’s are a bit twitchy already.

  • 66 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 3:19 pm

    Also, Nappy, I fail to see where religious conservatives holding Mr. Fox accountable for his lies and disinformation is somehow mixing religious faith and science. You’re one of the most religious people I know, you religious embrace the religion of liberalism.

    Honestly, I know very few Christians as blindly devout to their faith as you are to yours. So what’s your point, that Christian Americans aren’t allowed to expressed their views in the political arena because their views are based on a philosophical worldview, just like atheists, liberal socialists and secular humanists? Buwahahahaha. What self-serving bilge! How do you explain honest conservative atheists who oppose embryonic stem cell research?

    Can’t stand the competition in an honest public debate, eh Nappy?

  • 67 Shelly // Oct 25, 2006 at 3:20 pm

    There’s the opposite of an echo in here.

  • 68 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 3:24 pm


    After all the celebration and ballyhooing how they’ve already won the elections, the stakes for the DemDonks is this: a massive landslide which gives them the House (according to Howard Dean & Co.) and the Donks will also take the Senate with a gain of seven seats (Tom Daschle).

    And may God have mercy on America if this were to happen.

  • 69 Shelly // Oct 25, 2006 at 3:28 pm

    How does that always make the posts appear?

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  • 71 Ms RightWing, Ink // Oct 25, 2006 at 3:40 pm

    I’m glad I was born on an unknown planet far into the Galaxy. I think it was planet X-52 Gorbsnatcher.

    There we just fall off a tree. Nothing imoral about that is there.

  • 72 seneuba // Oct 25, 2006 at 3:41 pm

    Darthmeister #53:

    How dare you associate Dianne Sawyer to the role of “journalist”?

    I thought that title was used only to describe a professional who has “the occupation of reporting, writing, editing, photographing, or broadcasting news or of conducting any news organization as a business.”

    She is more of an entertainer or “one who holds the attention of with something amusing or diverting”

  • 73 upnorthlurkin // Oct 25, 2006 at 3:42 pm

    Shelly, are you referring (#67) to a deafening silence? Or the seeming roar of total silence?! Or the magic that happens when a post is stuck and the mere questioning as to its where abouts makes it appear?!

  • 74 Napoleon // Oct 25, 2006 at 3:46 pm

    Interestingly, no one has answered my question on what should be done with the tens of thousands of human embryos that are discarded every month.

    Is that a genocide?

    If so, why doesn’t GW step in?

    Hypocrisy abounds.

  • 75 Mary Katharine Ham // Oct 25, 2006 at 3:47 pm

    The Embryos Speak Out on Stem Cells!

    Heh. Moral authority, baby. (scroll down for the video)
    Previous:Alex P. Keaton He is NotOn That Michael J. Fox AdAbsolute Moral Authority Revisited

  • 76 Shelly // Oct 25, 2006 at 4:03 pm

    upnorthlurkin, yes that’s what I was referring to. Posts vanish until you point that out, then they appear. It’s a little curious.

    I see Napolean has backed off his claim that embryonic stem cell research is superior and is trying to change the subject. Typical. I am so thankful that I don’t have to dodge and weave every time I try to engage in a conversation. It must be frustrating to have to constantly say “Look over here! No, no look over there!” All in a desparate but failing attempt to ever make a point.

  • 77 Shelly // Oct 25, 2006 at 4:10 pm

    Let’s see if magic strikes twice…

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  • 79 Just Ranting // Oct 25, 2006 at 4:22 pm

    GCU re:65

    Come election day the Dems will be twitching like Barney Fife on amphetamines during an earthquake.

  • 80 Effeminem // Oct 25, 2006 at 4:31 pm

    Wait.. wait… we are asking that the government do nothing, and that is oppressing him and hindering scientific research? A negative cannot be a positive, bakane-jin.

  • 81 jwc // Oct 25, 2006 at 4:32 pm

    People can read both subjects on wikipedia, unless some think that the site is being biased. Embryonic or Adult

    Why the political affiliation? Democrats are for killing babies and Republicans are for saving babies? So I guess Libertarians or the Greens are the ones banging the wife.

  • 82 Scrappleface Response to Michael J. Fox Ad « Sunflower Desert // Oct 25, 2006 at 4:35 pm

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  • 83 Ms RightWing, Ink // Oct 25, 2006 at 5:38 pm

    New Jersey just legalized gay marriages. Guess that stops some of the debate about when a fetus becomes a living being-unless there is something I don’t know.

  • 84 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 5:52 pm

    Cite them Napoleon. Cite the theoretical studies and then cite the actual progress these studies have produced for the betterment of mankind.

    Then quit living in your echo chamber of denial.

  • 85 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 5:56 pm


    I stand corrected and repent in sackcloth and ashes. I was merely being … ah, diplomatic. But I think the definition of “journalist” has shifted somewhat in the past few decades given the examples I’m seeing today.

  • 86 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 5:58 pm

    #74 is a ranbutan inspired post, too. C’mon Nappy, admit you’re the ol’ ranbuddy coming back to haunt us this Halloweenie.

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  • 88 onlineanalyst // Oct 25, 2006 at 6:18 pm

    C-A-T (#51) and GnuCarSmell (#54): Your take on the grab for federal dollars for funding projects as the name of the game in research grants is too true not to acknowledge. The “Global Warming” cabal uses the same methods.

    Re the Loony Libs’ need for meds to relieve their post-election twitch: I thought that for the Loony Lefts’ “need” for meds was an expression of lifestyle.

    Nappy: Many human embryos “created” in fertility labs were frozen, later to be implanted in the womb of a woman for gestation for couples desiring to have children. Amazingly, these embryos did become children! Some of these “Snowflake Babies” (I think that is what they were dubbed.) even visited President Bush with their families.

  • 89 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 6:34 pm


    the political affiliation? Democrats are for killing babies and Republicans are for saving babies? So I guess Libertarians or the Greens are the ones [doing] the wife.

    I guess that explains how you came into being, jwc.

    Regarding Wikipedia post:

    To date, no approved medical treatments have been derived from embryonic stem cell research. This is not unusual for a new medical research field; in this case, the first human embryonic stem cell line was only reported in 1998.

    There’s always an excuse, eight years and hundreds of millions of dollars and what do they have to show, cancer in rats!

    A sobering setback for embryonic stem cell research

    Researchers there have for the first time essentially cured rats of a Parkinson’s-like disease using human embryonic stem cells. But 10 weeks into the trial, they discovered brain tumours had begun to grow in every animal treated.

    “Here we have this method that works so well to reverse the symptoms of Parkinson’s,” said lead investigator Steven Goldman, “But no matter how you look at it, it’s an expanding mass and that’s bad news.”

    By definition, human embryonic stem cells have the almost mythical, immortal power to grow and divide indefinitely as they become the various tissues that make up the body.

    “A lot of the representations of stem-cell research have resulted from the initial excitement and speculation of what can be achieved. But we’re still in that early stage, we haven’t seen real clinical breakthroughs,” said Tim Caulfield, director of the Health Law Institute at the University of Alberta. “This experiment shows the incredible potential of the field, but it also sheds a more realistic light on the near-future potential.

    Mythical? What the heck kind of science is that?

    Debunking the disinformation by embryonic stem cell research advocates back in 2001. Still applicable today.

  • 90 Godfrey // Oct 25, 2006 at 6:46 pm

    If we’re talking about miscarried embryos (not abortions) I see no problem whatsoever in using their stem cells for scientific research. How would this differ from using cadavers for research?

    I am against government funding for stem cell research because the government is not (or shouldn’t be) in the business of funding such things. Government should stick to what it does with the greatest efficiency, which of course is “nothing”.

  • 91 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 25, 2006 at 6:53 pm

    RE: #90~~
    Good one!

  • 92 Beerme // Oct 25, 2006 at 7:02 pm


    One more…
    neon opal

    Well that was fun! Wanna try Everthink? Thomas Crown? Decisionmaker? Ranbutan?

    hint? veer, ‘K? (a suggestion when he begins to think liberally)
    man’s hot crow (something he eat’s daily and will gorge on come November 7th)
    cede a smirk, ion (small though he may be, he needs to lighten up)
    A Brat Nun ( has no actual meaning at all!)

    I crack me up!

  • 93 Napoleon // Oct 25, 2006 at 7:03 pm

    But Godfrey, those “miscarried” embryos are babies! They could even become little snowflake babies and, one day, they could even visit with president bush! How dare you!

    Speaking of which, Hanky, did you see that Bush has all but admitted that he’s screwing up in Iraq? Right in time for elections, too. He really inspires confidence.

  • 94 Napoleon // Oct 25, 2006 at 7:05 pm

    Not only could those snowflake babies one day visit with the president, they could also fly a plane into a high rise! Just think of the possibilities.

  • 95 conserve-a-tip // Oct 25, 2006 at 7:12 pm

    Godfrey, do you remember the blog that we visited that was discussing the gay lifestyle and the one guy who was hoping that science would come up with the technology to let us pick which type of person we would be for that day or week? It reminds me of the discussion on embryonic stem cell research. Just because science and technology can do something doesn’t mean they should.

    Why not use cast off embryos? Because unless we make laws assuring a death certificate and accounting of each and every embryo that is used, with written permission by the parents and absolutely no financial transaction involved, there is too much chance of abuse.

    My grandfather donated his body to a medical research facility not too long ago. BUT he had to be certified dead by a coroner, had to have written this in his will and the cremated remains must be given to the family AND there was no money involved. Donated is the operative word here. There is accountability. Otherwise, unscrupulous folks would be going out killing bums to sell their bodies for research.

    Liberals will go to bat for bums to make sure that they are not exploited, but they will not do the same for potentially productive human beings. To me, if one is a Christian and believes the words that David wrote in Psalms 139: For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

    It is hard to get past that God views our existence as viable even before we become that embryo. If that is the case, then we should not be so flippant about embryo harvests and disposals. I am not saying you, personally, are being flippant. I am just addressing the question. The fact is, Hitler had all kinds of projects going on “for the good of mankind” that turn our stomachs now. To destroy a human, no matter at what point in their life, to make life easier for some other human is the most selfish act of which I can think.

  • 96 Beerme // Oct 25, 2006 at 7:15 pm

    Not worth the response, Godfrey. Not worth much at all, in fact.

  • 97 Beerme // Oct 25, 2006 at 7:18 pm

    BTW, C-A-T,
    post #96 did NOT refer to post #95. You’re worth plenty!

  • 98 GnuCarSmell // Oct 25, 2006 at 7:26 pm

    This debate is another example of how the left increasingly confuse their new paganism with science. The neo-pagans — or secular progressives, if you prefer — demand that scientific evidence be subordinated to their feelings. If a liberal “feels” that funding embryonic stem-cell research is good, no amount of empirical evidence will shake (I use this word advisedly) that belief. Once a position has become an article of faith within the neo-pagan tribe, not even the Jaws-of-Lifeâ„¢ can pry it loose from the wreckage of liberal orthodoxy.

    Feelings are a powerful force to liberals — much more powerful than objective truth. To a neo-pagan, it’s much more important to feel good than to do good.

  • 99 Hawkeye // Oct 25, 2006 at 7:35 pm

    Napoleon #61,

    Embryonic stem cell treatments offer more promise than adult stem cells.

    Yes, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad offers us the promise of reduced oil prices because after he gets electricity from nuclear power he won’t need to burn so much oil… and he can then sell it to us.

    “Wake up Nappy, dear! C’mon Sleepy-Head! It’s time to get ready for school!”

  • 100 Stop The ACLU // Oct 25, 2006 at 7:41 pm

    Bush and Blair Endless Love

    O.K., I’m sure that some liberal made this, but they did a good job and its funny. I just saw it on Brit Hume’s show. Pretty good for a laugh no matter what your politics are.

    Here is another good laugh from Scrappleface.

  • 101 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 7:48 pm

    Not only could those snowflake babies one day visit with the president, they could also fly a plane into a high rise! Just think of the possibilities.

    Are these snowflake babies could one day become a Napoleon/ranbutan. And who would want to wish that on the world? One is bad enough.

  • 102 Godfrey // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:15 pm

    Beerme: no worries. Anonymity may embolden the flea-but it’s still a flea.

    CAT: I don’t buy into predestination (or God, for that matter) so the religious argument isn’t particularly convincing to me. However, an obvious response might be that perhaps God caused the failed embryos to exist precisely so they could be used to give life to others.

    I agree that safeguards should be in place, of course. Perhaps similar procedures under which cadavers are procured for science (i.e. parental donation and death certs). I don’t think they should be thrown around like candy, but I know if I were a parent I might feel a little better about having lost a baby if I knew it might help someone else’s child someday.

    I can see nothing immoral about using an embryo under such circumstances. In fact it’s possible that not using it is immoral, given the potential benefits to humanity.

    Just because science and technology can do something doesn’t mean they should.

    No, but it means they will, if history is any indication. That being the case, shouldn’t we condone realistic ethical constraints from the outset?

  • 103 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:19 pm

    Speaking of which, Hanky, did you see that Bush has all but admitted that he’s screwing up in Iraq? Right in time for elections, too. He really inspires confidence.

    Wrong, Nappy, this is what President really believes about the war in the Iraq theater of operations.

    Glad you weren’t around pointing fingers at FDR on D-Day or Operation Avalanche at Salerno or the landing at Anzio or Operation Market Garden or the Battle of the Bulge, Nappy. Did you know we lost more American soldiers in the last four months of World War II than we did in the previous year of fighting? Darn that FDR. What a butcher. 430,000 American soldiers died for what, fighting Europe’s war for them?

    And then Truman goes and incinerates close to a quarter million innocent Japanese with two A-bombs. And this after FDR had ordered General Curtiss LeMay and the XX and XXI Bomber Command that previous year to purposely firebomb Japanese targets resulting in nearly 900,000 dead Japanese civilians.

    And the 8th Bomber Command and the RAF obliterated the likes of Dresden, Hamburg, Darmstadt, Pforzheim, Kassel and other German cities to the tune of an estimated 400,000 German civilians. And everybody knows that FDR knew that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor? FDR lied us into war, right Nappy?

    And you and the rest of the Donks consider that a moral war and the Iraq war an immoral war? Go figure.

  • 104 The Great Santini // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:20 pm

    Napoleon Pastry:

    Your questions do not merit a serious response because they’re uniformly intellectually dishonest, nonserious, and tendentious: (1) they have nothing to do with the subject under discussion; (2) they serve merely to change the subject when you cannot deal with the subject under discussion in a principled manner. Thus your lapses into subintelligence, name-calling, yada, yada.

    The Socratic method of inquiry works only when intellectual honesty is maintained, which explains why it doesn’t work for you. If the allusion to that (for you) foreign concept confuses you, watch “The Paper Chase”.

    I agree with Darth-you must have been cloned from a Ranbutan embryonic stem cell.

  • 105 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:24 pm

    “OR these snowflake babies could one day become a Napoleon/ranbutan.”

    Sheesh, maybe Michael J. Fox would donate some of his adult stem cells to help me with my editing/spelling snafus.

  • 106 Godfrey // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:26 pm

    Aw Hank, don’t be so hard on yourself. We all make mistaiks.

  • 107 everthink // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:52 pm


    “Your questions do not merit a serious response because …” Get a new line, will you? You are apparently educated well beyond your intelligence. Hank, despite his great limitations, feigns smart better than you, even if he is mad! All of his answers are at least a thousand words with two to three posts in each response; and he is consistent in his paranoid point of view!

    Hank, now don’t say I never said anything nice about you!


  • 108 Fred Sinclair // Oct 25, 2006 at 8:56 pm

    God free: The word is out and it’s official. 72 different projects using ADULT stem cells with good or positive results; embryo stem cell programs to date - BUST - not one that showed so much as even a trace of any progress - so that in the United States all research using embryo stem cells has ceased.

    This campaign issue with Mr. Fox is singularly and solely about ABORTION and HUMAN CLONING. cleverly disguised behind the words stem cell research which in the bills name is the only place those words appear.

    By the way you state “I don’t buy into predestination (or God, for that matter) so the religious argument isn’t particularly convincing to me.” When you stand before Him on Judgement Day - be sure and remember to remind Him that He doesn’t exist. Certainly He will be glad to receive your news.

    Fred Sinclair, Heirborn Ranger

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  • 110 Hawkeye // Oct 25, 2006 at 9:05 pm

    According to Wesley J. Smith at his blog Secondhand Smoke, HERE

    (Michael J.) Fox has admitted in his own book going off medications before testifying to make his appearances before legislative committees more dramatic. It is not unreasonable to think he did the same thing before taping his many partisan ads. It would be very easy for Fox to put the whole thing to bed by simply calling a press conference to deny that he stopped taking his meds before taping. So far, he has not done so.

    OTOH, my understanding is that M.J.Fox TAKES his meds when he is shooting an episode of “Boston Legal”.

    The only conclusion we can reach then, is that he selectively goes on or off his meds depending on whom he is trying to impress. When he wants to “act” normal, he takes his meds. When he wants to “act” sick, he goes off his meds.

    Don’t get me wrong. I loved him as Alex P. Keaton and Marty McFly. But let’s face it. He’s an actor. He was given a role to play in these stem cell ads. He brings a whole new meaning to the term “method acting”.

  • 111 Hawkeye // Oct 25, 2006 at 9:16 pm

    Fred #108…

    LOL! Good one buddy. “He will be glad to receive your news.” Hahahaha!

    (:D) Regards…

  • 112 Darthmeister // Oct 25, 2006 at 9:39 pm

    Godfrey, I like me steaks medium rare.

    Hawkeye, you bring out another interesting and probably valid perspective. However, it still remains true that Mr. Fox does suffer from Parkinson’s but that still doesn’t give him the right to politicize the issue or tell lies about Jim Talent’s or any other Republican’s stand on the issue of federally funding embryonic stem cell research.

    I find Mr. Fox’s rank partisanship very distasteful, almost as distateful as the thought that it might be possible to clone the likes of Napoleon/neverthink/rantbutan to the horror of future generations of sane humanity. Of course while their clones are in vitro it will be required by OSHA and the AMA that they be identified as troll embryoyos.

  • 113 Napoleon // Oct 25, 2006 at 9:41 pm


    Thanks so much for the education (re: the socratic method). I really had no idea what that was. Thanks to you, I know better. You really are one smart cookie (and a good rhymer). lol.

    I’m still waiting for your answer about the tens of thousands of discarded embryonic stem cells from fertility clinics. Do a handful of “snowflake” kids make the thousands and thousands of embryos that are tossed somehow not murder?

    Oh, yea, one more thing…Stay the course! At least as long as its politically advantageous!

    Suckers. You’ve been duped.

  • 114 Napoleon // Oct 25, 2006 at 9:47 pm

    Apparently the crazies in Missouri enlisted the support of that chick from that one mediocre sitcom to rebut the MJF ad.

    Since she is an actress, does that mean she was just acting in the ad?

    Santini, do you have an answer?

  • 115 Godfrey // Oct 25, 2006 at 10:20 pm

    Hank: “me steaks”…argh…and I thought my joke was a clam! :-)

    Fred: I think so long as the research is conducted within the ethical constraints outlined above scientists should be allowed to pursue whatever avenues are available to them.

    In other words, it shouldn’t be adult stem cells or embryonic stem cells. It should be both.

    Certainly He will be glad to receive your news.

    Trust me, he already has it.

  • 116 Napoleon // Oct 25, 2006 at 10:53 pm


  • 117 CrosSwords » Blog Archive » Rebuttal to Michael J. Fox Ad // Oct 26, 2006 at 12:16 am

    [...] The discussion about the Michael J. Fox ad in support of the democrat senatorial candidates in Maryland and Missouri continues. Interestingly enough, when the Maryland candidate had a chance to support stem cell research, he voted against it. Nevertheless, Scrappleface produced this ad as a response to Mr. Fox…who publicly advocates an unproven technology, overlooks a treatment process that his foundation has supported with $1.9 Million and another technology that has shown promise. So…enjoy the show: [...]

  • 118 Jericho // Oct 26, 2006 at 12:21 am

    Did anyone else notice the Decomposing media try to slip by the Shingles Innoculation today? The Shingles Innoculation is the same anti-viral given to prevent chicken pox. Many Christians object to the chicken pox anti-viral innoculation because it was derived from using fetal tissue. The decomposing media is trying to line up Seniors and their supporters behind the fetal tissue derived vaccine. It is the evil GOP that want children to itch from chicken pox and old people to suffer from shingles and even go deaf from it.

    Increasingly the new darling industry of the fascist tyrannist left is the pharmacuetical industry. From it they hope to continue to kill the unborn and use these babies to prolong their pathetic dead man walking lives. All because they won’t get off of God’s throne.

  • 119 conserve-a-tip // Oct 26, 2006 at 12:23 am

    Re: Neopolitan’s “You’ve been duped.”

    Today, I was just moseying down the highway, doing my thang, with the little shnitzel dog in the seat beside me, and I am listening to the radio, singing at the top of my lungs and then the news comes on…the local news mind you…and they tell me that the stockmarket has closed at a record high…again.

    And then they tell me that Oklahoma’s unemployment rate is at 3.8%, down 2%. And the daughter calls to tell me that her offer on a house was accepted and she is getting a gorgeous little first home with an alarm system and a new storm cellar and a landscaped yard for $65,000. So I think to myself…”Wow. I’ve been duped. The economy stinks, the stockmarket is crashing and housing is beyond the reach of young, single, recent graduate women.” Oh wait…no, that’s the way that the Democrats hear it. Ohhh. They haven’t been duped. Their just deaf, dumb and blind.

  • 120 Jericho // Oct 26, 2006 at 12:28 am

    I would have to agree (with post 28) that by mentioning a candidates name Scott Ott has committed a federal offense. Well, it was nice knowing you Scott. Let me know how things are in Marion, IL these days. Don’t expect the rest of us true blue Americans to stand up for you when the feds send you to prison. I mean we aren’t taking up arms for those border agents that are being railroaded and certainly we did nothing to save Teri Shiavo or for that matter save the 50 million Americans killed by abortion or help Elian or help the nurse who had her house taken in Connecticut or the guy who lost his land for pushing sand around on it or …

    A little tyranny here a little tyranny there and pretty soon your talking about real oppression.

    But why live Braveheart when I can watch it from the comfort of my couch. Toodles Scott. Maybe you can start a prison based version of Scrappleface.

  • 121 conserve-a-tip // Oct 26, 2006 at 12:43 am

    Excuse me…they’re. It is almost midnight and I went to bed at 3 this morning.

  • 122 conserve-a-tip // Oct 26, 2006 at 1:04 am

    Well, goodnight all. The Sugarplum fairies are dancing in my head. Oh wait. No, that’s a moth in the ceiling fan lights. Never mind. :mrgreen:

  • 123 Effeminem // Oct 26, 2006 at 1:25 am

    Napoleon, you pig,

    you are confusing leftist thought with right-wing thought. Failure to save the millions of embryos we would kind of like to save is not murder. Similarly, failure to feed the thousands of bums we would like to feed is not cruelty. Failure to protect idiot teenagers from dying in carwrecks is not irrespnsible, unless they’re your own kids.

    See how we bow down to the “laws of physics?” I can’t afford to hire millions of chinese women to birth all those embryos. Therefore the embryos will die. Maybe it’s sad, but such is evolution. If it’s wrong, then the guilt lies with the people that created the embryo. I feel no more guilt over murdered embryos then I do about murdered Iraqi children and the plight of the North Koreans.

    Now, the left-wing mentality that says that “society” should protect people from themselves or face the wrath of a non-denominational spiritual icon might disagree. Probably, if you believed that an embryo were alive, you would be clamoring for billions of dollars in taxes to preserve the embryos forever in freezers.. until they died anyway on the expiration date. Sure, there would still be a million dead embryos, and you would have taken the food out of the mouths of children in working-class families to assuage your own conscience, but at least you would have tried.

    As it is, we all agree that the status quo is OK.. yet you want to make this an issue.. curious. If there were any purpose to this thread I would almost think you were trying to hijack it.

    But there’s not so you weren’t and won’t.

  • 124 al franken // Oct 26, 2006 at 6:33 am

    Great work Mr. Ott. I am speechless. Thanks for speaking for me.

  • 125 The Bullwinkle Blog » Blog Archive » A can of worms // Oct 26, 2006 at 6:35 am

    [...] From the satirist: (2006-10-25) — “Claire McCaskill, the Democrat candidate for U.S. Senate from Missouri, expressed outrage today over a political ad produced in response to a TV commercial run by her campaign featuring actor Michael J. Fox, who has Parkinson’s Disease. [snip] [...]

  • 126 camojack // Oct 26, 2006 at 6:45 am

    “I don’t buy into predestination (or God, for that matter)…”
    Comment by Godfrey — October 25, 2006 @ 8:15 pm

    I know your moniker is intended to mean “God free” (if you recall, I was the first one to tumble to that) but recently I found the following in my meanderings on “Da ‘Net”…and want to share it:

    From the Germanic name Godafrid, which meant “peace of god” from Germanic god “god” and frid “peace”. Godfrey of Bouillon was the leader of the First Crusade and the first ruler of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem.

  • 127 Darthmeister // Oct 26, 2006 at 8:43 am

    Forcing myself to reread some of Napoleon’s inane posts, I can only conclude this has to be a 16 year old pimpled-faced kid who flunked high school debating class. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel with him. Or it could be the debilitating and corrosive effects of rank liberalism which is eating away his/her/its mind. In either case …

  • 128 Darthmeister // Oct 26, 2006 at 8:48 am

    Excellent response at #123, Effeminem. Napoleon condemns us for the fallout from decisions that other immoral people make or the actions of Nature itself. Because we aren’t Supermanâ„¢ then somehow that invalidates our moral arguments. How gauche and typical of a sixteen year old.

  • 129 Right Voices » Blog Archive » Scrappleface Responds With Michael J. Embryo Video // Oct 26, 2006 at 10:15 am

    [...] Scott Ott is brilliant! In response to the Michael J Fox ads running, Ott had this to say: Mrs. McCaskill said her use of a writhing and twitching Mr. Fox to highlight her support of expanded funding for embryonic stem cell research was “fair play”, and simply meant to show that incumbent Sen. Jim Talent “while talking about the importance of family ties, actually wants Alex P. Keaton to suffer and die.” [...]

  • 130 jwc // Oct 26, 2006 at 10:17 am


    Being a fiscal conservative, the national debt is $8.554 trillion, so our current federal budget needs to pay about over $400 billion in interest payments alone. Yep, the economy is going good, but that debt is going to kill us in the end.

  • 131 jw // Oct 26, 2006 at 12:29 pm

    Remember — if so many liberals had not aborted their babies since the 70’s, the past few elections could have been much different! Unless of course their kids had been rebellious and turned conservative on them ……. just a thought.

  • 132 Musing » Michael J. Embryo // Oct 26, 2006 at 1:05 pm

    [...] A classic Scrappleface response to Claire McCaskill’s creepy recreation of a circus freakshow. Nothing like plastering a person suffering with Parkinsons all over the TV to try and get a few sympathy votes on November 7th, right Ms. McCaskill? [...]

  • 133 jwc // Oct 26, 2006 at 1:09 pm

    jw: Well George Bush Sr. famous words “read my lips, no new taxes” did not help him. There will always be liberals and conservative in any political spectrum.

  • 134 Katie Favazza // Oct 26, 2006 at 4:18 pm

    Michael J. Embryo

    (H/T to MKH for this link. I was testing how to put You Tube on my blog this morning and forgot to give her proper credit.)Here is the original ad:And here’s another response to that original ad, in case you need to catch up:

  • 135 - » Micheal J. Fox, Stem Cell Research and YouTube. // Oct 26, 2006 at 5:14 pm

    [...] Meanwhile, Scott Ott, over at ScrappleFace parodies the controversial ad with his own distinctive style, [...]

  • 136 HNAV // Oct 27, 2006 at 1:47 pm

    Thank You Mr. Ott…

    The mighty Juice, tipped the KING onto this amazing video, created by the “the most brilliant political satirist of our time…”Scott Ott of the legendary Scrappleface reminds all, of the serious concern, regarding this complex issue…This poster……

  • 137 Rock Slatestone // Nov 6, 2006 at 1:20 pm

    I find it odd that someone would be against the war because it kills people yet have no problem with aborting people before they are born.

  • 138 Sunflower Desert » Blog Archive » Scrappleface Response to Michael J. Fox Ad // Jul 21, 2007 at 12:13 am

    [...] Read this on HotAir and then jumped over to Scrappleface. [...]

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