(2007-06-23) — In a major diplomatic breakthrough that could usher in a golden age of trust on the Korean peninsula, U.S. envoy Christopher Hill announced yesterday that the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea this week agreed to agree to its previous agreement to shut down its Yongbyon nuclear reactor.
“What we have this time are not mere words from powerless lackeys of a tyrannical dictator,” said Mr. Hill who met in Pyongyang with North Korean negotiators. “This time we have words confirming the previously unimplemented words, as well as unconfirmed assurances of implementation at an uncertain future date. There’s a whole new spirit of trust on the part of the United States that North Korea will live up to its commitments this time.”
The announcement has already triggered exuberant headlines around the world, which Mr. Hill says is “a positive sign.”
“When you see the beautiful childlike faith of these usually-skeptical reporters and editors,” he said, “it gives one hope that a new era has dawned — an age in which America-hating despots can be trusted to keep their word, despite years of empty promises and secret violations of previous deals. After all, these are the same journalists who have such a high standard of credibility that they don’t trust the president of the United States. And yet they believe Kim Jong-Il.”
266 responses so far ↓
1 Fred Sinclair // Jun 23, 2007 at 7:09 am
Praise God!! I live in America, where Scott Ott can put forth what he wishes and so far the libs haven’t been able to stop him. Keep up the good wrk Scott there’s a lot of us praying for you.
Heirborn Ranger
2 Darthmeister // Jun 23, 2007 at 7:10 am
It’s deja vu all over again!
3 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 23, 2007 at 7:25 am
Ha! Nothing like a littler Korean slight of hand. Didn’t some magician make the Queen Elizabeth II disappear once.
Hey, what nuclear plant you all talking about, can’t you see it’s gone.
4 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 23, 2007 at 9:33 am
Everything NoKo says should be discarded immediately as an outright lie.
5 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 23, 2007 at 9:36 am
Don’t Trust
Butand Verify.6 Fred Sinclair // Jun 23, 2007 at 11:15 am
If one simply can’t remember the old adages of the past, let these two remain – they became adages because they were pertinent and true. Forget them at your peril.
“Never loan money to a friend.” (Make it a present if you must but never lend it.)
And most important of all: “Never tease an old dog; he might have one bite left.”
Heirborn Ranger
7 Godfrey // Jun 23, 2007 at 3:34 pm
Good one, Scott. If your stuff gets any more poignant Hill and Barb will be muttering about a “legistlative fix” for Scrappleface.
8 R.A.M. // Jun 23, 2007 at 4:23 pm
The problem may be with an old saying, “I wouldn’t trust him any farther than I could throw him!”
With “Lil Kim” it seems like MOST people could trust him quite a distance—-right?
9 onlineanalyst // Jun 23, 2007 at 5:32 pm
Wasn’t it around this time last year that NoKo had a head start on our July 4th celebrations with a few rockets red glaring?
10 Maggie // Jun 23, 2007 at 6:04 pm
Whew!! Now,I feel safe……OH and BTW,I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell.
A shout out to RAM….good to see your post.Don’t be a stranger.Also, a big HI to Onlineanalyst :>)
11 camojack // Jun 23, 2007 at 6:51 pm
Eleventeen?
12 camojack // Jun 23, 2007 at 6:53 pm
Who said his missiles could reach the U.S., but only if they were launched from just offshore?
13 Fred Sinclair // Jun 23, 2007 at 8:36 pm
I read somewhere that the “smart” money is buying up property around The Great Salt Lake as a speculative investment in anticipation the San Andreas “fault” going or a nuclear device exploding and/or a combination thereof resulting in the invesors owning oceanfront property.
Off topic – I wonder how many American citizens have illegally entered Mexico and are living there taking jobs Mexicans won’t take. Living on Mexican welfare checks, food stamps, housing assistance, etc. and driving their children to and from the free Mexican schools, with a Mexican Driver’s license; all the while covered with better healthcare than is available to native Mexicans? Gee – can anyone count that high?
Heirborn Ranger
14 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 23, 2007 at 10:48 pm
Sad note on the local front–Jessie Davis’ body was found. Both her and the unborn baby were dead. Her so and so boyfriend, a Canton, Ohio cop, has been arrested.
They found the body about 7 miles from the bunker.
Sad
Now back to NoKo where underbrush will be served for dinner tomorrow along with other delectable treats such as bark, leaves and rocks.
15 conserve-a-tips // Jun 23, 2007 at 11:04 pm
Hi y’all! Kim Jung makes me Il. Can’t imagine how he makes his country feel.
Just to make you jealous, I am sitting outside on a veranda overlooking the White River in the moonlight, the sound of rushing water making everything right with the world. Tomorrow morning, the white mist with roll along with the river (hence the name) and fly fishermen will be casting for their prizes, enveloped in the mist and looking like prairie dogs poking their heads above their holes. How’s that for picturesque language???? It is cool and quiet and simply wonderful. The little dog thinks so too.
I got onto Drudge and saw that Obama thinks that the Christian “Right” has sought to divide the nation over abortion, homosexuality and other moral issues, saying that they don’t read the same Bible that he reads. I guess his Bible doesn’t have that verse where Jesus says not to suppose that He came to bring peace, but that he came to bring a sword and He would divide mother against daughter and father against son, ao that a man’s enemies would be right in his own home and so on. Nope, I don’t think that we read the same Bible.
Night all. I’m thinking of you in this cool Arkansas night air!
16 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 23, 2007 at 11:11 pm
I think we should blacken the skies above Venezuela with waves of ICBMs.
17 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 23, 2007 at 11:14 pm
I propose more drastic measures for NoKo.
18 Possumtrot // Jun 24, 2007 at 10:59 am
“Hi! I’m your Muslim neighbor Abu. Can I borrow that thermonuclear device you don’t have stashed in your garage? I know you’re not going to do anything with it. I promise I won’t do anything wrong with it; I just want to shake the neighbors up and bring them to Allah’s enlightenment.”
Wait for that puppy to land on Cleveland, or someplace like it.
Peace sells, but who’s buying?
19 Effeminem // Jun 24, 2007 at 4:20 pm
Eh, I like Megadeth in theory, but I can’t get into it.
20 Shelly // Jun 25, 2007 at 10:04 am
Is it just me, or could we write this same piece substituting congress for NoKo, and immigration reform for nuclear program?
21 Maggie // Jun 25, 2007 at 10:07 am
Shelly…….It’s not just you.
22 boberinyetagain // Jun 25, 2007 at 10:12 am
Y’all believe there can be peace in the ME but that NK couldn’t be convinced?
I think that one is at least as likely as the other (neither very much so) and hope that both can happen, just doubt both…
An optomistic realist, how much odder can one get?
23 George Apley // Jun 25, 2007 at 10:56 am
Cheney must be freed of constitutional restrainst. America has no right to his secrets.
Anarchy needs exoneration.
24 conserve-a-tips // Jun 25, 2007 at 11:12 am
Boberin: Who said anything about believing that there can be peace in the Middle East???? Peace is not the absence of war, but includes the absence of hate. That will never happen.
25 boberinyetagain // Jun 25, 2007 at 11:52 am
c-a-t, see we can agree! I always suspected as much
That does beg the question why we felt the need to intervene especially in light of the utter hopelessness, no chance whatever of success (and, again, I hope I’m wrong but doubt it)
26 Darthmeister // Jun 25, 2007 at 1:29 pm
That does beg the question why we felt the need to intervene especially in light of the utter hopelessness, no chance whatever of success (and, again, I hope I’m wrong but doubt it)
I guess that makes you simply another anti-war racist, bober. Are you saying Arabs are just too dern barbaric, tribal and stupid to embrace even the most basic principles of liberty? Now if this is true, then these people are little more than animals … either that or they are so thoroughly brainwashed like some kind of cultic stooges that they will forever present a menace to the freedoms of man since leaving them alone has only seen them becoming more insular and radical.
If nothing else, what President Bush and the American military has done was to first blunt the march of Islamofascism against the western world based on its long-term, explicitly stated desire for Global Islamic Caliphate AND it has created one of the best efforts among Arab peoples for an opportunity to create some sort of democratic movement within known Islamic hellholes – Afghanistan and Iraq.
It’s better that we find out now if Islamic/Arab culture is capable of enlightenment and reformation or if it is so steeped in Arab tribalism and radical Islamic philosophy that it is irredeemable. If the latter than at some point this kind of radicalism which does NOT recognize the fundamental rights of man and the fundamental principles of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will need to be utterly destroyed, and it must be destroyed because it will never rest until it sees the entire world submit to its view of Allah. Quite literally a day may come when it boils down to either them or us and it’s far better we deal with this issue now rather than later.
I’m not willing to give up on the Islamic/Arab world just yet, however, I would hate to think this issue be left to future Americans with more courage than us that will be asked to resist the possible rapacious encroachments of an ever radicalized Islamic world. Right now the American people and the American military have experienced deaths measuring in the thousands due to the actions of Islamic extremism, but not reacting in the manner that we have to date – however ineffective or provocative those on the left want to paint the effort in Iraq – I believe the punishment for merely kicking the can down the road the way the Clinton Administration did with WTC93, the Kobar Towers and the U.S.S. Cole will result in our children and their children’s children suffering hundreds of thousands if not millions of American deaths. Such is always the price of inaction and the penalty of the paralysis of perpetual analysis – an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
How else could we have determined Arab cultures are capable of democratic reform except that they be pressed to do so? Certainly not by harsh rhetoric or disapproving glares which have had a history of failure throughout the 20th Century.
27 George Apley // Jun 25, 2007 at 2:14 pm
Re: #26
“…If nothing else, what President Bush and the American military has done was to first blunt the march of Islamofascism…”
The presumption is childlike, the diction is over-reaching, the effect is high-falutin.’ the grammar is odious.
Where, in god’s name, is such nonsense propagated?
28 Effeminem // Jun 25, 2007 at 2:46 pm
George (I assume that you’ll soon reveal yourself to be a troll baiting Darth, rather than an idle bystander amazed at his verbosity, but no matter), the nonsense is propagated here, of course.
29 boberinyetagain // Jun 25, 2007 at 2:54 pm
Good Lord Hank, that was both eloquent and nonsensicle at the same moment. Bravo sir, I salute the effort.
Eons of disagreement/war between literally everyone in the ME suddenly brought to a halt by killing some of them.
Yeah, right, that solved it (been done hundreds of times by others, didn’t work even a little but this time it is the bastion of all that good, the USA so it’s bound to work)
Still concerned that they are about to teach their camels to swim eh? Now there’s a real issue to fret over, no question.
30 Shelly // Jun 25, 2007 at 3:26 pm
boberin may have a point. Those people in Kuwait and the United Arab Emerates have got to stop their brutal treatment of each other!
31 Darthmeister // Jun 25, 2007 at 4:13 pm
Hello, laughing gasbag. Your palpable hatred and brutish familiarity immediately gives you away. So typical of leftists, when they can’t rationally argue their point they resort to ad homs … or they claim they’re “Goldwater conservatives” and that we’ve betrayed the conservative cause.
32 Darthmeister // Jun 25, 2007 at 4:19 pm
boberin, you’re making an eloquent argument that these people are so hopelessly lost in their “eons” of hatreds and murders that they can’t possibly be brought into the 21st Century (i.e. be civilized).
If what you say is true (and I hope it isn’t) then in the next decade or so we’ll see American and possibly European nukes hitting every Arab/Islamic population center as the increasingly radicalized Islamic world’s barbaric hatreds spillover into the western world. The flashpoint could come as emboldened Islamic regimes like Iran attempt a final solution on Israel.
33 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 25, 2007 at 4:23 pm
conserve-a-tips
Are you still hiding out in the luxurious hideaways of Missouri??
34 Darthmeister // Jun 25, 2007 at 4:32 pm
You’re right, there is a lack of subject-verb agreement. I admit to being careless in editting on the fly in the comment box here. My original sentence had “President Bush” as the only subject and before I submitted the comment I added “American military” without changing “has” to “have”.
Happens all the time in informal comments on blogs and generally adult posters get beyond the occasional misspellings or grammatical mistakes. Hadn’t realized our resident trolls were such a sticklers for grammatical accuracy – particularly since left-wing educators have always said the expression is more important than technical accuracy in spelling and grammar.
If it makes you happy I can always run a spelling and grammar check in Microsoft Word and then copy-and-paste my comment here. But isn’t it just like a self-righteous left-wing nudnick to put form over substance when he/she/it can’t argue the point. Strike two.
35 George Apley // Jun 25, 2007 at 5:10 pm
Re: #34
Fustian, too, with suffocating pretense and a sense of inferiority that cries for medication
36 George Apley // Jun 25, 2007 at 5:13 pm
Re: #34
Fustian, too, with suffocating pretense and a sense of inferiority that cries for medication.
37 George Apley // Jun 25, 2007 at 5:14 pm
No, I’ll not say it a third time.
38 conserve-a-tips // Jun 25, 2007 at 5:53 pm
No, Ms Rightwing, Ink: Unfortunately, I had to come back to the real world of unending rain, humidity that can suffocate a mosquito and flooding to beat all flooding. But it was sure nice!!
39 conserve-a-tips // Jun 25, 2007 at 5:56 pm
Boberin, being over there, to me, has nothing to do with bringing peace to the middle east, just the absence of war. Two sides may hate each other and still declare a truce. I don’t think that our form of a representative democracy has a chance over there either, simply because of the religion with which we are dealing. But if we can just get them to quit killing each other and make a stab at coexisting, putting fanatic muslims in jail and clamping down on the fanatic imams, perhaps the rest of us can enjoy a bit of “peace of mind.”
40 Laughing@You // Jun 25, 2007 at 7:53 pm
Well said Apply, you have hit the nail right on the head!
41 Laughing@You // Jun 25, 2007 at 7:59 pm
Pardon me George Apely, spell checker don’t you know.
42 Laughing@You // Jun 25, 2007 at 8:04 pm
No Henry, you pompous twit, I am not George Apely!
43 Laughing@You // Jun 25, 2007 at 10:16 pm
Now the Nazi’s have lost their Luger! That’s ok you didn’t need the “cut and run” traitor anyway! Did you Dorkie?
And what can you say about Cheney? Apparently Neo-cons have found a whole new way, who needs a stinkin’ constitution!
44 Darthmeister // Jun 25, 2007 at 11:29 pm
In this videoclip interview John Gibson thoroughly fisks the ridiculous claims of Peter “At Least Hitler and Stalin Meant Well” Mehlman. Gibson ran circles around this anti-war, Bush-hating nudnick.
Peter Mehlman’s original left-wing rant can be found here at the Huffington Post. I bet Mehlman’s multiple idiocies really resonates with the trolls here.
45 Fred Sinclair // Jun 26, 2007 at 7:14 am
I’m 70 years old come November (If the Lord so wills) and over the course of years have never heard anything like this – a DNA malfunction? Brain damage? I don’t know. He sounds like he’s more than just a couple of fries short of a “Happy Meal”
John Gibson vs Peter “At least Hitler and Stalin meant well” Mehlman. Gibson hands Peter his head on silver platter! It is rare to actually listen to someone who is planning and participating in the hoped for destruction of the United States. I think Mehlman hates America and democracy even more than either Hitler or Stalin did.
Heirborn Ranger
46 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 26, 2007 at 7:35 am
Good, pant, pant, pant, hot morning. Ozoning out in Ohiya
47 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 26, 2007 at 7:44 am
God Bless America!
I put that sod down in my front yard (Dallas/Fort Worth) several weeks ago and it has rained nearly every day since and my roses are loving it, too.
Praise The Lord.
We live in a wonderful country.
Hallelu Yah!
48 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 26, 2007 at 7:54 am
I’ve often wondered where I would be today if my parents had not met in Shanghai, circa 1947.
I could be half-Russian and half-Chinese, I guess, and living in Shanghai.
Or, I could be all-Russian and living in Shanghai.
But, here I am–an expatriate Buckeye residing in North/Central Texas–half-Ohioan, half-Russian.
Thank You, Lord.
(I know, I know…..in reality I would be non-existent but where’s the fun in that?)
49 conserve-a-tips // Jun 26, 2007 at 8:23 am
James, is it still raining there too? I can’t believe this. Got up this morning to a downpour of Biblical proportions. I picked greenbeans yesterday evening between storms and just praised God for this unbelievable garden. Never in my years in Oklahoma have I had beans a 10″ long!!! I only planted three short rows this year because they had done so poorly in the past. Last night I got a WalMart sack full and still left tons. I have to pick again tonight if I can just get to them. My zuchinni is incredible and I am up to my elbows in it. I am just bummed over the tomatoes because they aren’t ripening – just rotting – because of no sun. This is an amazing summer. If this is global warming, bring it on!!
50 George Apley // Jun 26, 2007 at 8:46 am
Re: #48
This surely is parody or satire.
Nobody could be so intentially without style.
51 George Apley // Jun 26, 2007 at 8:59 am
Re: #49
Please, more Bible belt market reports. Compared to the usual bewildering Iraqui monologues from Red State correspondents, and the relentless self-mocking exegeses on moral verities, they are like late news from Walden Pond.
52 Laughing@You // Jun 26, 2007 at 9:09 am
“I’ve often wondered where I would be today if my parents had not met in Shanghai, circa 1947.”
Perish the thought!
53 Darthmeister // Jun 26, 2007 at 9:11 am
“intentially”?
How about “intentionally”? Just returning the favor, troll.
Democrats starting to whine about withdrawing from Afghanistan …
The Taliban admits it’s getting its arse kicked in Afghanistan so is it any wonder Democrats are coming to their rescue with their cut-and-run strategery?
Did anyone else notice a shortage of white linen bedsheets on flag day? Democrats must have been snapping them up.
Weather report from flyover country: 400% humidity but with only a high of 84 degrees.
54 George Apley // Jun 26, 2007 at 9:13 am
Iraqui? or Iraqi? Middle East scholars are divided but some suggest the preferred spelling might be found on page 439 of Rashid Ali al-Gaylan’s ‘Lingering Conundrums of neo-Mesopotamia.’
55 conserve-a-tips // Jun 26, 2007 at 9:35 am
#54: Want fries with that?
56 Laughing@You // Jun 26, 2007 at 9:39 am
His Darthness says: “The Taliban admits it’s getting its arse kicked in Afghanistan …â€
A videotape of what appears to be the “graduation” for some 300 newly anointed Taliban foot soldiers shows Mansoor Dadullah, the brother of the late ruthless Taliban commander, Mullah Dadullah, arriving at the ceremony in a white station wagon with a blue light on top.
(ABC News) http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/popup?id=3290410
Not only do they have a ceremony out in the open, but they make a video of it to boot.
57 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 26, 2007 at 9:52 am
“Mmmmmm…..Ling-er-ing Co-nun-drums…..droo-oo-ool…..,”
58 conserve-a-tips // Jun 26, 2007 at 9:57 am
Just listened to the audio of the Mehlman and Gibson. Boy, Mehlman sounds like he is on drugs, is uneducated and is totally out of his league. Typical elitist who thinks that he is some gift to the rest of us and just shows that he hasn’t got a clue.
59 Gotcha // Jun 26, 2007 at 10:02 am
How is the slave trade business, George? And how is it that “The Late George Apley” is able to comment on a blog?!…
tsk, tsk…..busted!
60 Maggie // Jun 26, 2007 at 10:07 am
Re #54 …….good morning George.
So sorry to learn of your “lingering conundrums”.You may to try a few drops of warm sweet oil.
61 Maggie // Jun 26, 2007 at 10:09 am
re # 60…..correction:” you may want to try”
62 Laughing@You // Jun 26, 2007 at 10:15 am
I know two people who have the same name; everthink, there may be two George Apelys?
Then again, this may be one who comes in the spirit of George Apely, as John The Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah.
Or, maybe George Apely faked his death like “Kenny Boy” Kenneth Lay.
Whichever, he seems more cogent than most here.
63 conserve-a-tips // Jun 26, 2007 at 10:26 am
Heh, guys!! Did you know that Ken Lay faked his death? Wow. What a bit of news. I am stunned. He isn’t dead? He isn’t in a pine box? He isn’t six feet under. He isn’t toes-pointing-north? He isn’t worm food? He isn’t gone-from-this-world? He isn’t ashes-to-ashes-and-dust-to-dust? pant, pant, pant……….
64 conserve-a-tips // Jun 26, 2007 at 10:29 am
BTW, I happened to see L@Y’s copy of The Enquirer in the background of his post. You know, the one that has the headlines that aliens ate George Bush’s brain and that the world’s largest baby is actually half gorilla and can peel a banana with its toes.
65 Laughing@You // Jun 26, 2007 at 10:33 am
What, you think Cheney couldn’t or wouldn’t arrange such a thing?
66 Laughing@You // Jun 26, 2007 at 10:37 am
The Enquirer is vastly superior as a news source to The Druge Report, or Faux News!
67 George Apley // Jun 26, 2007 at 11:04 am
America needs tableaux that will make history shake and bake down the road, so it’s reassuring that Cheney can still squirm. The manipulations, evasions and yellow-streaked indifference to charges of cowardice that got him five draft deferments seem to be still in play as he combats the National Archives.
It is theatre of the absurd to be sure, but, as Agnew—another pussycat with his ersatz dukes up—showed, what better place for it than a Republican vice-presidency?
68 conserve-a-tips // Jun 26, 2007 at 11:22 am
#67 but I had Beef Wellington last evening, served on my famous Royal Dalton with the blue periwinkles, accompanied by the most amazing merlot in Waterford crystal. Crepes suzette graced our tongues with that hint of orange and we all reclined happily afterward, with our illegal Cuban cigars. Ah yes, we are eversomuch as cultured as you Mr. Ape.
How about an apple pie with that?
69 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 26, 2007 at 11:32 am
FYI:
There has been an Internet virus going around lately stating the following message:Your family member has sent you an ecard from rcgood.hk.
Do not open, it is a trojan.
70 conserve-a-tips // Jun 26, 2007 at 11:46 am
Ms Rightwing, Ink:
How come that doesn’t pop up with L@Y and George Ape’s posts so that Scott doesn’t have to open them?????
71 Laughing@You // Jun 26, 2007 at 11:47 am
Tell the truth, is there anyone here who would vote for Bush, again?
Let’s see a show of hands.
Dorkmunster, please use just one hand, and no feet (I don’t care how many toes you have)!
72 conserve-a-tips // Jun 26, 2007 at 11:52 am
Tell me the truth…is there anyone here who believes that George Bush is running again?
Let’s see a show of hands.
Trolls, please use just one hand, your feet are in your mouth.
73 Laughing@You // Jun 26, 2007 at 12:02 pm
conserve-a-tips,
Whatever I am, you here, and Dumbyah make me look better every day!
All but the very slow or the very stubborn have joined the parade against this corrupt and incompetent administration!
74 Darthmeister // Jun 26, 2007 at 12:05 pm
Laughing gasbag is clearly impressed with the Taliban’s propaganda effort. If free peoples have the will and resolve to resist the allure of terrorist propaganda, they would find out that jihadists blowing themselves up is a self-correcting propaganda ploy and is in fact a sign of weakness and desperation in the long run.
Unwittingly Gasbag makes Strategy Page’s point here. … In recent media interviews, Taliban spokesmen announced a shift in emphasis to suicide bombings. The Taliban also admitted that the Americans had infiltrated their high command, which led to the death or capture of several senior Taliban officials, and the capture of many lower ranking ones as well. There have also been some prominent defections recently, which the Taliban spokesmen did not want to talk about.
This kind of blow-yourself-up-terrorism is actually a step back for the Taliban. Leftists see the posturing antics of terrorists and terrorist wannabees as a sign of strength, hence their rush to raise the white flag. Those who support the GWOT look at such tactics as a sign of desperation just like the Japanese kamikazee movement, but dangerous desperation nonetheless.
Clearly terrorists know how to manipulate the anti-war moonbats in western nations, which explains gasbag’s enamored response to the Taliban’s “graduation” video. Not often you can get someone in the anti-war crowd to admit their interpretation of reality is heavily influenced by terrorist/Taliban propaganda videos. But if it is within the realm of possibility, the anti-war crowd will always find a way to grab defeat from the jaws of victory when it suits their political agenda.
75 Darthmeister // Jun 26, 2007 at 12:10 pm
Gasbag, did you eat all the lead-based paint from your crib shortly after you were spawned? I have to admit, in your case dementia is actually one of your more admirable qualities.
76 Laughing@You // Jun 26, 2007 at 12:12 pm
Spoken as only a “Chickenhawk” would speak!
Has young Dick seen a recruiter yet?
“But if it is within the realm of possibility, the anti-war crowd will always find a way to grab defeat from the jaws of victory when it suits their political agenda.”
For crying out loud, tell it to Luger will you!
77 EXT // Jun 26, 2007 at 12:21 pm
He accepted the offer of “cheese on that” too often; hence the constipation of ideas!
Was really ticked when Mickey’s declined his welfafre check so just walked out without paying. Kept the burger (with cheese), though.
Can’t blame him/her/it….just doing what FDR taught.
78 Darthmeister // Jun 26, 2007 at 12:31 pm
Go whine to Joe Lieberman, Gasbag.
It’s “Lugar”, not “Luger” you dimwit. And what does Senator Lugar actually say?
Commander in Chief Richard Lugar:
1. … still does not support a total troop withdrawal, which he said would increase the risk of a wider regional conflict between Sunnis and Shiites and be a “severe blow” to U.S. credibility.
2. … said the benchmarks many lawmakers [read: mostly Democrats] want to set for the Iraqis are not in the national security interest because they can be easily undermined by a terrorist attack or other action.
3. notes: “… and the constraints of our own domestic political process – are converging to make it almost impossible for the United States to engineer a stable, multisectarian government in Iraq in a reasonable time frame.”
The latter is polite codespeak for: The Democratic surrender monkeys’ four years of divisive caterwauling and ginning up Bush-hatred has destroyed any unity Americans might have had on the Iraq War and it may be impossible for Americans to ever agree on any kind of definition of victory and for this country to be able to engineer a stable, multisectarian government in Iraq because we’re being politically pushed to simply quit like we did in Vietnam.
79 Darthmeister // Jun 26, 2007 at 12:45 pm
Anti-war appeasement movement risks winds of a greater war.
Joshua Muravchik at OpinionJournal:
Several conflicts of various intensities are raging in the Middle East. But a bigger war, involving more states–Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, the Palestinian Authority and perhaps the United States and others–is growing more likely every day, beckoned by the sense that America and Israel are in retreat and that radical Islam is ascending.
… The apparent meaning of all of (militant Islam’s) pointless provocation and bullying is that the axis of radicals–Iran, Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah–is feeling its oats. In part its aim is to intimidate the rest of us, in part it is merely enjoying flexing its muscles. It believes that its side has defeated America in Iraq, and Israel in Gaza and Lebanon. Mr. Ahmadinejad recently claimed that the West has already begun to “surrender,” and he gloated that ” final victory . . . is near.” It is this bravado that bodes war.
A large portion of modern wars erupted because aggressive tyrannies believed that their democratic opponents were soft and weak. Often democracies have fed such beliefs by their own flaccid behavior. Hitler’s contempt for America, stoked by the policy of appeasement, is a familiar story. But there are many others. North Korea invaded South Korea after Secretary of State Dean Acheson declared that Korea lay beyond our “defense perimeter.” Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait after our ambassador assured him that America does not intervene in quarrels among Arabs. Imperial Germany launched World War I, encouraged by Great Britain’s open reluctance to get involved.
80 Gotcha // Jun 26, 2007 at 12:54 pm
Bush vs. Gore – I still vote GW Bush
Bush vs. J effin Kerry – I vote President Bush and look to drive all my conservative neighbors to the polls so they can too.
“If” is for children….reality is there is a war for our survival and we have a man in office who recognizes the threat. For that I thank God!
(If not for the incompetent appeasement mentality of the previous administration, we more than likely wouldn’t have had the provocation to enter this war. And, would you like to compare the indictments and convictions of this administration vs. the last?! Just because you keep repeating something does not make it true.)
81 Darthmeister // Jun 26, 2007 at 1:32 pm
SmallWarsJournal: Understanding Current Operations in Iraq.
Authored by an embed in Iraq.
82 Effeminem // Jun 26, 2007 at 1:46 pm
Ooh, I wanna play!
If I had to do-over the 04 election, I’d still vote for Chimpy McHitlerburton.
If it were Bush v. Generic Democrat 2008, I’d vote libertarian. Bush’s foreign policy has run its course, so it doesn’t matter if we get get another Compassionate Conservative or a commie next time.
83 Effeminem // Jun 26, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Huzzah, George came back!
RE #67, it sounded like you were really stretching for a rhyme, because the content of the verse was pretty incoherent. Well, you still didn’t rhyme, so I think you need some coaching.
Here we are,
It’s such a relief,
that capitalist fascists stand for their beliefs
they may be greedy and stubborn and ready to fight
but that just means less deceit from the radically right
the socialist guerrillas may fight for their cause
but that’s ironically reactionary faith in the laws
not a cryptologically sound, publicly held solution
of property rights and equality and national dissolution
They could have what they wanted if they just got their head on this:
that radical policies should be antifederalist
if half the country hates utilitarian ethics
and you can see the red stain across census metrics
if geography’s a factor in electoral eclectics
then maybe they should stay home and just bone
or shun my politics
leave my state of being alone
Here I am,
radical polemics insinuating subsonic
while a million little robotics learn politics by pneumonic…
Well, you get the idea. At least I had a thesis and a couple of slant rhymes in there.
Keep up the hard work, Apley-kun!
84 Laughing@You // Jun 26, 2007 at 3:41 pm
Dorkie:
Luger, Lugar, or even Liger, what difference?
We’re getting close to 70, by September, either the troops will be going home, or the Chimp will.
Then, come ‘08 there won’t be any more Repugs … ever.
85 Laughing@You // Jun 26, 2007 at 4:02 pm
Gotcha,
Yeah, you got it for sure.
What’s this guy done you’re so proud of anyway?
The guy who is responsible 911 is still making movies, and the Taliban just isn’t taking any home games.
Saddam is dead, but he tried to get the Chimp to fight him “one on one” to the death, but Dumbyah and his puppetmaster Flubbermouth, just made up a bunch of stuff, and sold it to the dimwitted, so 3500 of somebody else’s family could die for his dream of world domination.
86 Effeminem // Jun 26, 2007 at 5:05 pm
That would be a good pay per view match.
87 conserve-a-tips // Jun 26, 2007 at 5:44 pm
#73: Translation: “Yeah, well, your momma wears army boots.” Not very original thinking there Laughing@who?
88 conserve-a-tips // Jun 26, 2007 at 6:07 pm
For those of you interested, here is the list of “conservatives” (and I use that term loosely) who need to be booted out as of today’s vote, found here:
Bennett-Utah * Bond-Missouri * Brownback-Kansas
Burr-NC * Coleman-Nebraska * Collins-Maine
Craig-Indiana * Domenici – NM * Ensign – Nevada
Graham-SC * Gregg – NH * Hagel – Nebraska *
Kyl – Arizona * Lott – Mississippi * Luger – Indiana
Martinez – Florida * McCain – Arizona * McConnell – KY
Murkowski – Alaska * Snowe – Maine * Specter – PA
Snowe – Maine * Specter – PA * Stevens – Alaska
Voinovich – Ohio * Warner – Virginia
89 Laughing@You // Jun 26, 2007 at 8:02 pm
Yet, my 73 was worthy of your 87!
About your 88, we are in complete accord! Throw the bums out! Don’t worry tips we’ll be glad to help next time around.
90 Laughing@You // Jun 26, 2007 at 8:11 pm
Darkmonster,
Re: “SmallWarsJournal: Understanding Current Operations in Iraq.”
May I suggest you rush this right over to Sen. Liger’s Office, I doubt they’ve seen it. Then again they most likely don’t have (or want) your sources.
91 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 26, 2007 at 11:23 pm
What, no amnesty bill? How is my cousin Lopez ever going to support his family. Help me Mr Kennedy.
92 Fred Sinclair // Jun 27, 2007 at 1:13 am
On DRUDGE today – Paul Newman: “Republicans destroyed the American Spirit”. What a bunch of Bullfeathers! I checked the dictionary to find out what happened. It seems that Mr. Newman has a problem looking into his mirror, instead of looking at his image on the theater screen. It seems he is 180 degrees off course. It is the liberals aka “the Democrat Party” that is trying, with all the stops out, to destroy the American Spirit” “Bite the hand that feeds you?” – he like his liberal buddies is trying to destroy the Mother Country, at whose breast he has so richly suckled. He is, in and of himself, a renegade trying his best to pervert any and all of what made America great. Judge for yourself…….”of what was first intended.” His forbearers were those who donated their gold rings to be melted and cast the golden calf, while Moses was on the mountain.
Dictionary
perverted |pərˈvərtid| |pərˌvərdəd|
depraved .
• (of a thing) having been corrupted or distorted from its original course, meaning, or state : this sudden surge of perverted patriotism.
DERIVATIVES
pervertedly |pərˌvərdədli| adverb
pervert
verb |pÉ™rˈvÉ™rt| |pÉ™rËŒvÉ™rt| |pəˌvÉ™Ët| [ trans. ]
alter (something) from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended : he was charged with conspiring to pervert the course of justice.
• lead (someone) away from what is considered right, natural, or acceptable : Hector is a man who is simply perverted by his time.
noun |ˈpÉ™rvÉ™rt| |ËŒpÉ™rvÉ™rt| |ËŒpÉ™ËvÉ™Ët|
DERIVATIVES
perverter |pÉ™rËŒvÉ™rdÉ™r| |-ËŒvÉ™ËtÉ™| noun
ORIGIN late Middle English (as a verb): from Old French pervertir, from Latin pervertere, from per- ‘thoroughly, to ill effect’ + vertere ‘to turn.’ The current noun sense dates from the late 19th cent.
Thesaurus
perverted
adjective
I don’t want to hear any more of your perverted stories unnatural, deviant, warped, corrupt, twisted, abnormal, unhealthy, depraved, perverse, aberrant, immoral, debauched, debased, degenerate, evil, wicked, vile, amoral, wrong, bad..
Heirborn Ranger
93 myword // Jun 27, 2007 at 2:31 am
The Libs cry their crocodile tears over the body count
in the war on terror. Has there ever been a war of this magnitude and duration fought with such insane ROE’s that have had this low number of deaths.
The body count I’d be interested in is how many Americans have been killed by illegal aliens during the same period, either murdered, auto accidents, gangs, etc.. It seems there’s at least one a day in the news or would it be too politically incorrect to keep those figures.
Speaking of illegal aliens – I have a different take on the vote today to reopen the debate on the immigration bill. The latest Rasmussen poll says only 22% of the country agrees with the comprehensive immigration bill. It could be a good thing to have the Democrats on record with a vote to explain to their constituents come election time. I think any politician bucking the public on this bill may need to start updating their resumes.
Could it be a dastardly Rovian plot or am I jiust putting lipstick on a pig.
94 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 27, 2007 at 6:13 am
It is the very “comprehensiveness” of the Comprehensive Immigration Bill which makes it repugnant to anyone who loves this country and/or with a minimum of one functioning brain cell.
95 conserve-a-tips // Jun 27, 2007 at 8:12 am
James, I love the way that Lott and the president and Kennedy and McCain keep saying that the “system is broken and we have to fix it” when the system ain’t been used yet!! How do they know it is broken if they haven’t employed it in the first place? It isn’t that the system is broken, it’s just that they don’t have the will to use the system as it is supposed to be used. What in the world makes them think that we are to, then, believe them that they will actually employ the new system?
I had an interesting conversation with a contractor buddy of mine who said that in his business, illegals have taken over the jobs of masonry, roofing, framing, concrete work and landscaping, while Americans are still predominant in plumbing, electical, trimwork and heating and air. Guess what is union in most states? If these illegals are made legal, then the union is going to be hitting them up, as well, to start unions to get more membership. Those labor costs are going to go up and contractors are going to be looking for more illegals to do the work. My friend said that the only solution is to go after the employers and make it really unattractive to hire illegals. At that point, there won’t be any work for them to come to anyway.
96 Laughing@You // Jun 27, 2007 at 8:53 am
Myword you say:
“The Libs cry their crocodile tears over the body count in the war on terror.†Well, can I assume you at least don’t have a phony “Support the Troops Bumper Sticker?
“War on Terrorâ€, this is not a war on terror, in fact Iraq is not even a war! It is more of what might better be called an “occupation – police actionâ€.
Insane ROE’s? What would you like to do, that we are not doing? I have never heard, or seen a complaint about ROE in this “occupationâ€. Is there not enough “water-boarding†for you? Should the Army reopen Abu Ghraib?
“Has there ever been a war of this magnitude and duration fought with such insane ROE’s that have had this low number of deaths?†Maybe WWII, but at least then we adhered to the Geneva Conventions, while it is true our losses were greater, so was our cause!
I agree with your views about the illegal aliens, and that makes me worry that maybe I should reconsider my position!
“Could it be a dastardly Rovian plot or am I jiust putting lipstick on a pig.†Before it is over you may wish Karl Rove had stayed in his sty. Rove has no tricks left, and he is not beyond the reach of justice you know, ask “The Scooterâ€.
97 Shelly // Jun 27, 2007 at 9:00 am
c-a-ts, thank you for pointing out that the “system” might work if given half a chance, and that there are a number of solutions to the illegal immigration problem. I’m going crazy listening to people say that we have to support this bill because we can’t deport 12 million people as if those are the only two options available.
I also think myword is on to something. With Congress’ approval rating at an all time low, and about 80% of the public against a bill some of the Republicans are trying to kill, this may bode well for the GOP. The public isn’t happy about being ignored on such a grand scale. If my Senator, Burr, doesn’t vote the right way on Thursday – which he claims he will do unless the bill is sufficiently changed – he doesn’t have a prayer of re-election. And his staff has grown quite weary of hearing from us at this point. But hopefully we’ve gotten him on the right track.
98 Laughing@You // Jun 27, 2007 at 10:36 am
Shelly, you’re just Whistling Dixie!
The Republican Party is dead! It was killed by an Evil Idiot, and his Imps.
99 EXT // Jun 27, 2007 at 12:28 pm
The “Democratic” Party died immediately after Truman left office. The replacement, “Democrat Party” is guilty of noise pollution and needs to be put on trial in Amsterdam or some other place far, far away.
The noise?
The bodies of old-fashioned members of The Democratic Party whirling in their graves!
100 Darthmeister // Jun 27, 2007 at 12:52 pm
Shelly, a political dynamic that most media pundits are missing with the plummeting popularity of Democrat and Republican congresscritters is this: What is being rejected isn’t conservatism but rather a Republicanism which smacks of Democrat-Lite.
Sure there might be some temporary turmoil as the political landscape gets sorted out if conservatives and truly centrist swing voters get their fill of a limp-wristed Republicanism which finds more in common with Pelosi, Reid, and Kennedy than their voting base, but what new political alliances which rise from the ashes in say two, four, or six years may prove far more formidable to the Democratic political cult which is swinging ever farther left than blue-blood Republicanism ever did.
I’d thought I’d never live to see the day when my dad, a life-long Democrat, swore he would leave the Democratic Party over this latest Shamnesty boondoggle but still couldn’t bring himself to become a Republican. I told him to become an independent and vote for candidates of any party which reflects his fairly conservative values like pro-traditional family, pro-life, pro-defense (though he dislikes Bush because he believes he “panders to rich fat cats” like Halliburton blah, blah, blah … sigh), etc. And there are probably millions of conservative leaning Democrats out there who are seeing their party pandering more and more to its left-wing whacko constituents and the Hollyweird crowd. Think about it, socially the DemDonk Party is already to the left of Stalin and politically they are just about at the point of being Stalin collectivists. Good Americans will eventually figure it even when being incessantly hammered by the leftist media propaganda being spewed by the likes of CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN/NYT/WaPo … . A sense of self-preservation among a free people has to kick in at some point.
Paul Newman’s definition of “The American Spirit”:
1) Women have the “right” to murder their unborn babies
2) Government must step in in the name of “fairness” and force conservative radio pundits to give up their free market time to failed left-wing kook pundits like Al Franken, Garafalo, etc.
3) American must find “creative ways to understand” (i.e. appease) terrorists who murder Americans on our own soil, otherwise they might get mad at us for resisting and turn into a hornet’s nest of hate. In the final analysis it’s always America’s fault.
4) Work is optional. In our free society government must take from the haves (the most productive members of society) and give to the have-nots (the least productive members of society) despite the fact that a $7 TRILLION war on poverty has been failing the last forty years … but then that’s the conservatives’ fault.
101 Darthmeister // Jun 27, 2007 at 2:52 pm
Scott, the veterans and active duty soldiers have indeed given you play over at MudvilleGazette for your Victory Valley Camp offer. That should get the word out to potential donors and participants. Also there are more “surge” updates.
After the programs are over this summer, please let us know what your needs are and I’m confident Scrapplers would consider it an honor to contribute again to such a worthy cause.
102 Fred Sinclair // Jun 27, 2007 at 3:10 pm
Darth-#100 – Sorry but I forget the source – Probably Rush, but re your point #4 the war on poverty has failed – we lost that war. We’re told that the illegal aliens are only taking jobs that Americans won’t do.
Well it’s pretty simple though not politically viable…all that is necessary is for our Congress to vacate all of the entitlement programs currently on the books. With the exception of proven need i.e. – disabled, infirmity – (not physically or mentally strong, through age or illness) Social Security to be paid only to those who have paid into it and that amount governed by the # of years they have been involved.
I believe that with freebys curtailed there would be no more jobs that Americans wouldn’t do. For lack of available jobs, the illegals would have to return to their native countries. It would be good to have Americans picking blueberries in Michigan, harvesting corn in Iowa, people could start taking in washing and ironing again, etc. In return for a paycheck. We could learn that the war on poverty is winnable after all.
Heirborn Ranger
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103 conserve-a-tips // Jun 27, 2007 at 4:06 pm
Ms Rightwing, Ink: Did you happen to hear your senator (Voinovich) on Hannity today? Sheesh. Here’s hoping that he finds out that term limits can be imposed without the legislature! What a jerk.
104 Laughing@You // Jun 27, 2007 at 4:36 pm
The “Democratic†Party died immediately after Truman left office. The replacement, “Democrat Party†is guilty of noise pollution and needs to be put on trial in Amsterdam or some other place far, far away.
What you didn’t like Kennedy either?
I have little doubt Bush would be dumb enough to issue an arrest warrant, but I don’t think there’s much chance of you “chickenhawks even trying to execute it!
105 EXT // Jun 27, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Sorry, Joe.
The whole “Cuban Missile Crisis” was just dummied up by JFK’s friend Castro to make him look decisive and enhance the chances of dynasty.
Success only in that backwater of Liberalism where the graft from “The Big Dig” will feed generations of Democrat politicians.
Don’t be upset that the “gold” on your idol is washing off; they’re still reproducing like rabbits. A new one will be along soon.
BTW….I can guess why YOU don’t “enlist”.
106 Laughing@You // Jun 27, 2007 at 5:07 pm
To talk about the majority of Americans being tried on charges by this bunch, in other country, only indicates your lack of respect for the U. S. Constitution, and for America; but in the words of your hero “bring it on!”
EXT, I wouldn’t serve under Dumbyah! But I did enlist years ago. I was Regular Army for three years.
107 Laughing@You // Jun 27, 2007 at 5:09 pm
change other to another
108 Fred Sinclair // Jun 27, 2007 at 6:11 pm
I liked Rush’s suggestion that instead of trying to ban Guns, we should ban Political Correctness. A Constitutional Amendment sounds just fine.
Actually, in post WWII Germany there was a law passed making Nazi’s illegal. Very quickly, being a Nazi in Germany was somewhat worse than having an advanced case of Leprosy.
I would love to see the exact same law passed here in America, excepting that it would be Liberals who would be illegal and they would by far prefer to be known as a leper than a liberal.
“….and to the Republic, for which it stands…” It does not read, “…..and to the Union of American Socialist Republic, for which it stands” as many would like it to read. The UASR ? – Harrumph and fiddlesticks!
On August 26, 1920 an Amendment to the Constitution was ratified. Up until that time America was on the rise. We had greatness following our victory over Germany. All the world looked up to us. The “Roaring Twenties” fizzled out with the depression – then came WWII and another Victory! But hovering on the horizon was that 19th Amendment. looming like a dark cloud of despair. The beginning of American Socialism!
Bleeding hearts, all over America began passing new laws, revoking old laws. Bringing up boys to become and live as bleeding heart liberals. Children born out of wedlock were no longer referred to as bastards; homosexuals were invited into parlors of the best homes, police no longer arrested and jailed them. Then they engineered “Roe vs Wade” and made abortion a back-up form of birth control. They erased the basis of American Criminal Justice “Crime and Punishment” and replaced it with “Crime and Rehabilitation”, they replaced honest work, character and integrity with one “entitlement” program piled upon another.
Now of course there are exceptions – there are some conservative ladies who are like minded, Ann Colter and a few with her attitude. But they are more than offset with the wimpy wannabee males who carry out their orders and vote the way they’re told. The 21st amendment repealed the 18th and now the repeal of the 19th is long overdue, since it’s impossible for liberals to exist without the 19th, although by now there are enough spineless wannabees who have been mentally “fixed” (as a Vet would phrase it) to make recovery a slow process.
To repeal Roe vs Wade, Reinstate sodomy as a punishable crime, to revoke most entitlement programs and to move to a flat tax system, cut the Federal budget by 60%, double or triple the military’s budget, ensure that no one in our military is paid so little as to be eligible for welfare and food stamps, arrest and deport 100% of those who cannot prove citizenship, build and maintain a 700 mile wall across our border, double our Border Patrol (and double their wages),,,,,,,all of this will take time but then, “Rome wasn’t built in a day”.
Thanks to Roe vs Wade we now have over forty million fewer people to pay into social security, over forty million jobs unfilled and we’re trying to import forty millionillegal aliens to fill those jobs that Americans don’t want to do.
Some satire – some not,
The part about the 19th Amendment is partly satire. (For those in Rio Linda)
Heirborn Ranger
109 EXT // Jun 27, 2007 at 6:36 pm
Sorry you failed to comprehend, Joe…
“Put on trial” in Amsterdam means in The World Court which pays no heed to any nation’s constitution.
The whirling of real once-upon Democratic Party Numbers in their graves concerned over the antics of today’s “Democrat Party” is a planetary noise pollutant.
Bush wouldn’t be the arresting authority; it would be a higher authority, maybe from The so Liberally Loved United Nations! Would that not be poetic justice!
And three years! What an unusual period of service. Suggests something unusual might have terminated it. But then nobody said which army. After all, terrorists consider themselves to be some sort of “army of liberation”.
110 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 27, 2007 at 8:13 pm
conserve-a-tips
Voyni is no better than Kucinich in many ways. It must be his age because dementia is setting in and every year he becomes deeper and deeper in Rino pooh.
Can I say pooh?
111 Laughing@You // Jun 27, 2007 at 9:34 pm
EXT,
If you’re not an idiot you’ll do till Henry chimes in.
112 EXT // Jun 27, 2007 at 10:46 pm
So what did you get caught at?
It’s OK to tell us….we’re all friends here!
113 conserve-a-tips // Jun 28, 2007 at 7:53 am
EXT, I think that L@Y suffers from the pain and embarrassment of “foot-in-mouth disease’. The Doctor of Democracy has offered a cure that is free, but unfortunately, some people would rather ignore their disease and pretend that they don’t have it, instead of living a full life of freedom from disease.
And speaking of Democracy, did anyone see what Tom Tancredo has done to Chertoff? I loved it. Chertoff just shows that he hasn’t got a clue. How many California farmers do you see picking up their farms and moving to Canada to grow strawberries?? That’s gonna take all 12 million illegals to do that feat. How can you move the land and the weeds and the plants? And besides that, the climate in Canada isn’t even close to California. Oh wait. I forgot about global warming. We should be afraid. Very afraid. Pass that comprehensive bill, boys!!!!!
114 Darthmeister // Jun 28, 2007 at 7:53 am
“Religion of Peace” strikes again in Thailand (and our lamestream media ignores it again). In the last few months there have been literally hundreds of Christians (some were Christian school girls) and Buddhists murdered in Thailand by Muslim terrorists.
America must remove its troops from Thailand, we’re stirring up a hornet’s nest. Oh wait … we have no troops there. Never mind, it’s still America’s fault though, turning peace loving Muslims into murdering jihadists by American imperialism.
Also: Innocent follower of the “religion of peace” is killed.
MOSCOW – A man formerly held in the U.S. facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was killed Wednesday in a shootout with security agents in a restive North Caucasus republic, Russia’s top security agency said.
Ruslan Odizhev was killed amid gunfire that erupted when agents tried to arrest him and another man in Kabardino-Balkariya, a region near Chechnya …
The service, known by its Russian acronym FSB, said Odizhev had been held at Guantanamo Bay and was believed to have been a supporter of the Taliban. Odizhev was one of seven Russians released from the detention facility in 2004; his whereabouts recently had been unknown.
Obviously, being forced to listen to Christina Aguilera music as well as being deprived of sleep radicalized this poor, innocent man despite the fact he was originally picked up on a battlefield in Afghanistan where he was shooting at American troops. According to the left that’s no good reason to hold an unlawful enemy combatant “for the duration” unless American troops have actual videotape of him shooting at Americans or three witnesses to swear to the fact this man was a Muslim extremist in the employ of a radical Muslim movement. And little doubt Odizhev was released when a human rights organization whined there wasn’t enough evidence to continue holding him as an unlawful enemy combatant. This hasn’t been the first time a former “innocent” GITMO prisoner is killed on another battlefield.
115 Darthmeister // Jun 28, 2007 at 8:27 am
More real headlines:
Feds award $20 million grant to study how farm odors contribute to global warming…
Your tax dollars hard at work.
PELOSI REASSURES LEFT THAT ‘SHE IS ON THEIR SIDE’…
Who would have ever guessed?
House Members Get Pay Raise of $4,400…
One more accomplishment of the Democratically-controlled Congress aided and abetted by RINOs.
Al Gore Wins New Hampshire Poll…
Hadn’t realized the moonbat population had migrated that far north.
116 conserve-a-tips // Jun 28, 2007 at 8:48 am
And speaking of Tancredo (sorry Scott for encroaching on your territory):
Farmers’ Canadian Move Sparks Outcry
U.S. Farming Services is shifting its corporate enterprises from California to the more temperate climate of Canada in a move that immediately sparked criticism from U.S. members of Congress and illegal Mexicans.
Farm Bureau Chief Executive Peaches N. Kreem, speaking at a convention in Vancouver, BC, said that farmers will relocate to Canada from California in order to utilize Canadians who will do the work that Americans will not do. “The U.S. Congress failed to pass vital legislation to make our 12 million illegal Mexican slaves, legal Mexican slaves and so we must relocate our ventures to the north, where we can intensify our focus on the business of meeting the needs of food-hungry Canadians, home to some of the world’s most important fruit pie eating contests,” she said.
Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., called the decision to move to Canada as “an example of greed at its worst.”
“This is an insult to the U.S. taxpayers who paid the tab for their subsidies and endured their overcharges for lettuce all these years, even while they had low labor costs while we turned our heads on illegal immigration.” Leahy said in a statement.
“At the same time they’ll be avoiding U.S. taxes, I’m sure they won’t stop insisting on taking their profits in cold hard U.S. cash for their strawberries and avocados,” Leahy said.
Kreem admitted that the logistics of the move will require the use of all illegals in the country, in order to remove sod, plants and trees without disturbing root systems. “It will be a bitter-sweet time for us as we must say good-bye to these faithful laborers. We realize that the strict immigration policies of Canada will prohibit them from migrating north. However, we see the opportunity for free, socialized health-care and legal low wages for Canadian workers as a good trade-off.”
Meanwhile, California officials are not worried about what to do with the vast acreage of stripped and topsoiless land that will be left behind. “We understand that Congress is looking for a vast wasteland in order to establish a national cemetary for the carreers of its members,” explained Governor Schwarzenegger.
117 conserve-a-tips // Jun 28, 2007 at 8:49 am
whoops – careers
118 Darthmeister // Jun 28, 2007 at 8:56 am
From that neo-con John F. Kennedy’s 1961 Inaugural Address:
“Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans-born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage-and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.”
“…I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our forebears prescribed nearly a century and three quarters ago. …the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe-the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.” …
“Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.”
JFK was subsequently assassinated by a Marxist wanker whose collectivist political views and anti-American rants are comfortably embraced by the modern Democratic Party today! And his brother Robert Kennedy was assassinated by a Palestinian Muslim zealot. These two deaths eerily become metaphors for the new left-wing/Islamofascist paradigm which threatens traditional America and the last vestiges of western civilization.
119 Darthmeister // Jun 28, 2007 at 9:03 am
From J.D. Johannes back from a 3-month stint in Iraq: Senator Lugar (and others) Ignore What’s Really Happening in Iraq.”
120 Laughing@You // Jun 28, 2007 at 9:26 am
Conserveatips and Lee Harvey:
“Pain and embarrassment� . Forget the U. S. Constitution, and of the Bill of Rights (although you did that long ago)! Ignorant Republicans everywhere should run right out with their little handcuffs and try to take all those Americas who disagree with them into custody pending trial before whatever kangaroo court
Just do that! Bring charges against me after you have me in custody why don’t you?
I left the military service only after the completion of every day of my enlistment period. During that period of my enlistment, my duties took me to Camp David and the White House while armed (Special Security Unit, Executive Flight Detachment). Is there anyone else here who can honestly make such a claim?
I am the surnamed descendant of two men, father (Maryland Fidelity Oath) and son (The Maryland 400 and the 3rd Maryland Line), who were declared patriots of the American Revolution War, with the son of the later serving with the 15th Kentucky Militia (Detached) in the “Battle of New Orleansâ€. In addition, the grandson of the last, received the Medal of Honor with the 3rd Kentucky Cavalry, USA at the “Battle of Taylor’s Crossroadsâ€. My own father was first in the recruiters’ office line on the morning of December 8th, 1942. My son served in both Desert Storm and Somalia.
When I first posted here, an old bag said I wasn’t among my equals, my guess is, she was right!
I await your arrest; but my guess is, you “Chickenhawks†will want to contract that out, too!
BRING IT!
121 Laughing@You // Jun 28, 2007 at 9:33 am
JFK a Neo-Con? You should seek immediate help!
122 RedPepper // Jun 28, 2007 at 9:34 am
Has the Senate taken their cloture vote on the
amnesty“immigration reform” bill yet ?Back in the day, we young men had a saying :
The whole world is watching !
The whole world is watching !
It’s dejá vu all over again !
123 Laughing@You // Jun 28, 2007 at 9:45 am
President John F. Kennedy on being a liberal…
“I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man’s ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves
I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind. I do not believe in a superstate. I see no magic in tax dollars which are sent to Washington and then returned. I abhor the waste and incompetence of large-scale federal bureaucracies in this administration as well as in others. I do not favor state compulsion when voluntary individual effort can do the job and do it well. But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.
Our responsibility is not discharged by announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor. I believe for these reasons that liberalism is our best and only hope in the world today. For the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society. Its strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies.
What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.”
President John Fitzgerald Kennedy
I subscribe fully! Now, please compare to your idiot!
124 Darthmeister // Jun 28, 2007 at 9:54 am
A bio of Lee Harvey Oswald’s Political Motives. Keep in mind Oswald was an ardent anti-capitalist and believed he was faithfully fighting against American imperialism:
Oswald turned to radical politics for the purpose of ego-building. According to Dr Martin Kelly, “The political philosophy to which he gravitated became the ongoing material of Oswald’s ego function, serving as a substitute for normal feelings and judgments, and maintained by persistent fantasies.â€
(Oswald) got from his politics something he couldn’t get from individuals. It shows the poverty of Oswald’s emotional relationship with people which is a psychopathic trait.
Oswald’s belief in the socialist ideal has been confirmed by numerous sources who knew him. As an 18 year old Oswald espoused his political principles to Palmer McBride and William Wulf Jr. McBride told the FBI, “During the period I knew Oswald he resided with his mother in the Senator Hotel or a rooming house next door…I went with him to his room on one occasion, and he showed me copies of Das Kapital and the Communist Manifesto.”
… The pamphlet led Oswald to change the direction of his life for it was from this period he became enamoured with left-wing politics. The memory of the Rosenburg case, I believe, lasted until his incarceration in the Dallas police jail. Oswald had made repeated requests the weekend of the assassination for John Abt to defend him. Abt was a left-wing New York lawyer who had defended communists and a newspaper story about Abt had appeared on the same page as the President’s visit to Dallas.
[Now this description really sounds just like some of our resident trolls]
The contempt Lee Harvey Oswald showed for authority and to those who disagreed with his vision of the world, the simple ideological answers he embraced in the face of complex issues he spoke of, generally are expressions of self-aggrandisement and a narcissistic tendency. When he began to see himself as “the commander”, the learned revolutionary who was given only menial jobs, the gifted politician who headed an imaginary chapter of the Fair Play For Cuba Committee, the “the hunter of the right wing fascists†– the grandiose side was revealing itself.
… Oswald hated the American way of life.”
Most leftist really do hate the “American way of life” since they are always trying to remake America over into their own image. But being the consummate liars they are, they often lie to themselves about their abject hatred of traditional America. Lee Harvey Oswald was no exception, but in his case he finally resorted to violence in hopes of achieving his collectivist utopia.
125 Darthmeister // Jun 28, 2007 at 10:03 am
I subscribe to the founding tenets of liberalism of our Founding Fathers:
1) Our rights are a gift of God, they do not originate in the State. The Constitution enumerates those rights, it doesn’t bequeath them.
2) Our right to private property is sacrosanct. No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or the pursuit of property.
3) The traditional family is the foundation of all civil societies.
4) American is a city on a hill. It is a beacon to the world and its constitutional republican form of government shall not soon pass away (this is American exceptionalism which modern “liberals” reject)
5) Moral license is not to be confused with Constitutional liberties.
6) Freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.
Conservatives today most accurately reflect our founding liberalism. Liberal socialists today have betrayed these principles of liberty, preferring instead to pursue a PC morally bankrupt utopia which would have gotten them tarred-and-feathered by our American ancestors just a few generations ago.
126 Ted // Jun 28, 2007 at 10:07 am
The press breathes a sigh of relief, thinking the problem is solved. We have, at the most, just brought a little more time and the bad guy snickers and plots his next move. How naive most of the press is! They are true sons and daughters of that naive decade–the 60s! They will never learn that “wishing doesn’t make it so!”
Ted
127 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 28, 2007 at 10:08 am
Good day all. Laying low, but I’m still alive
128 Laughing@You // Jun 28, 2007 at 10:14 am
“Conservatives today most accurately reflect our founding liberalism.” Only, in your little warped bean!
No principle of eminent domain? Why did several States choose to be called Commonwealths? Do you know it’s meaning in that period?
Unless you stop shouting your ignorance, only the ignorant will not think you nuts.
129 Darthmeister // Jun 28, 2007 at 10:32 am
Just like a left-wing nudnick to compare a speech made by John F. Kennedy pandering to the New York Liberal Party on September 14, 1960 with an Inaugural Address he made to a nation as President of the United States. I noticed that speech is plastered all over the left-wing nutroots blogsites.
As to the last paragraph, that is subject to interpretation. The spin you attempt to put on it clearly plays to left-wing collectivists when they wrongly stereotype conservatives as not caring about the welfare of people. Liberals and conservatives go about addressing the welfare of the American people two different ways: liberals prefer to enslave people as the wards of a welfare state, conservatives prefer to create an economic climate of opportunity, supplemented by private charity, which raises all ships.
The success of the middle-class and those transitioning to the middle-class from below the poverty line is the result of free markets and free economic opportunity over the decades, not from price controls, welfare, or more government regulations being placed on the free markets. The fact leftists just love to thump their chests about “caring for the poor” proves that they know THEY AREN’T DOING ENOUGH THEMSELVES in their own private lives to address the issue of the poor among us in such a great land of opportunity (that ought to tell ya something). Hence, the radical left’s immoral attempts to empower goverment to take more from hardworking wage earners inorder to enlarge the welfare state to the delight of leftists everywhere. Utopia is just around the corner!
When’s the last time you bought groceries for your poor neighbor or filled up their vehicle’s tank with gas? My wife and I did both just this last week. And when’s the last time you funded the summer camp of a soldier’s child? Another cheap-arse liberal’s “compassion inaction”, I see.
130 Laughing@You // Jun 28, 2007 at 10:33 am
Re: 120
Please change December 8th, 1942 to be December 8th, 1941.
131 RedPepper // Jun 28, 2007 at 10:39 am
Ms RW #127: Good morning, Ms RW !
p.s. Ms RW, can I interest you in a swap? Sen. George Voinovich for a dead skunk.
Assuming, of course, that I can bear to give up the dead skunk …
132 conserve-a-tips // Jun 28, 2007 at 10:49 am
Good morning Ms Rightwing, Ink. Hope all is well with you and dry. Here, we are considering the purchase of a boat. Anybody got one cheap???
Well, it appears that one battle is won, but the war still rages. Did you hear Ms Feinstein? She says that it is the fault of talk radio that killed the bill; that they misrepresented the bill as amnesty. She said, “How many times can we say that this isn’t amnesty?” My answer to her is, “Evidently plenty of times, but just saying it isn’t doesn’t mean it isn’t. A rose by any other name and all that…??” Arrogant morons. It wasn’t talk radio. It was the American people from all walks of life, all political spectrums and all faiths. Unless liberals listen to conservative talk radio to, by the millions, her accusations just show how moronic she is. But oh, how she will use this to forward the fairness doctrine. Look our Supreme Court.
133 Darthmeister // Jun 28, 2007 at 11:18 am
SHAMNESTY CLOTURE FAILS!
I guess the RINOs have to wait for their cheap labor and Democrats have to wait for their new voting base … but it probably won’t stop them from registering illegals to vote!
134 Laughing@You // Jun 28, 2007 at 11:22 am
Henry,
You ask, “When’s the last time you bought groceries for your poor neighbor or filled up their vehicle’s tank with gas? My wife and I did both just this last week. And when’s the last time you funded the summer camp of a soldier’s child? Another cheap-arse liberal’s “compassion inactionâ€, I see.â€
“If one does a study of who the Pharisees were and what they believed and practiced they would be shocked to find they are still among us today. Not just in the Judaism as in the Ultra Orthodox, but in Christianity. And you probably have seen them and been bewitched by their teachings and practices and do not even know it.†http://www.letusreason.org/Wf39.htm
YOU SHALL NOT BE LIKE THE HYPOCRITES
The Lord said, in Matthew 6:
1“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2 “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5 “And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward
6 “ But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.â€
I would not discuss my giving here, and I would never get into the subject with you (Who can say anything he wants because he give “many hundreds of dollarsâ€.
Henry, your are a hypocrite!
135 Laughing@You // Jun 28, 2007 at 11:26 am
You are too!
136 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 28, 2007 at 12:02 pm
Laughing@You
Rarely do I respond, nor pay attention to your arguments with others on this post. But, your questions and response to Darthmeister was way out of line. I don’t think he needs to tell us his good deeds.
I don’t have much in monetary wealth but when I give it is my business. Some here, I know, are very generous without publishing it.
It is good that you filled your neighbors tank and took groceries, but that is between thee and Thou, not for Scrapplers.
I know Darth helps those he choses. Sometimes a glass of cold water is all that is required.
That is all I have to say. Keep up the good works.
137 Laughing@You // Jun 28, 2007 at 12:10 pm
Ms Rightwing, please read again, I believe you have reversed my position with Henry’s.
Then again, this may just be your kind way of saying what a pompous jerk Henry is without insulting him; that’s ok, too!
138 Fred Sinclair // Jun 28, 2007 at 12:28 pm
I hope and pray that President Bush’s “Stupid Spasm” was only temporary and that he will emerge from therapy with his otherwise normally functioning brain well and healthy.
His fundamental premise was flawed from the start. To imagine and/or believe that over twelve million people who had already broken our laws would all suddenly “get religion” and doing an about face they will obey this new immigration law when they certainly did not respect or obey our last immigration bill of 1986, is to also believe in the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny and Santa Claus.
He evidently forgot the basic fundamental rule, to wit – “If Teddy Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are for ANYTHING, run, do not walk, in the opposite direction.”
Heirborn Ranger
139 EXT // Jun 28, 2007 at 12:34 pm
Just heard that The Bush-Kennedy Amnesty Bill is gone for two (that’s “2″, Joey-boy) years. Two (2) because Harry Reid doesn’t dare bring it up in an election year. Shows the man is not totally stupid. Or maybe that’s just low cunning. A sort of brain-stem reptillian autonomic reaction.
We don’t need a fence! Just disinter a couple of hundred real former members of The Democratic Party (membership ends with death except for those who were registered in Chicago). Plant ‘em in shallow graves along the border. The whirling noises from their graves as they watch the antics of The Cut, Run, Appease Party (CRAP, aka The Democrat Party) proceed apace.
The noise is guaranteed to spook the felon wannabees. And imagine if they try tunneling under and run into the whipping, twirling bones of those once-upon-a-time true Democratic partisans!
140 Laughing@You // Jun 28, 2007 at 12:34 pm
I know Henry, I must have the wrong take on Matthew Chapter 6 too. I’m sure you are busy cutting, pasting, and twisting that simple straight forward passage as you have done so often with God’s Word here.
Repeat now Henry, the Lord still loves you, and I forgive you.
141 Laughing@You // Jun 28, 2007 at 12:48 pm
EXT, I was against the bill! I have said so twice. “Felon wannabees”? Why don’t you wait a little while, at least until after the paddy wagon leaves the White House. Cheney will be gone very soon.
I think Bush is going to appoint Speaker Pelosi, to be Vice President, as an appeasement; but we’ll impeach him anyway.
Then Nancy Pelosi will be the first woman president, not Hillary! Now that should please you all here.
142 conserve-a-tips // Jun 28, 2007 at 12:51 pm
L@Y, Mathew 6 refers to not taking a “Look at me, holier than thou” attitude. You know, kind of like the preaching that you do to us on here, constantly. You know, kinda like the “see how stupid you are and how smart I am,” tripe we have to suffer through from you regularly. But it’s ok. We are all hypocrits of one type or another. Thank God for Christ who covers us and shows Himself before the Lord.
143 Laughing@You // Jun 28, 2007 at 1:29 pm
“L@Y, Mathew 6 refers to not taking a “Look at me, holier than thou†attitude.” ” Isn’t that just what Henry did to me?
“We are all hypocrits of one type or another. Thank God for Christ who covers us and shows Himself before the Lord.” Especially me!
But, can’t you see I’m just sharing my wisdom with the less fortunate, especially you!
144 EXT // Jun 28, 2007 at 2:59 pm
I find it so amusing when Liberals, bereft of logic, begin quoting from the scripture of religions other than their own.
Liberalism IS, after all, a religion. It depends upon faith, blind, deaf, but certainly not “dumb” in the “without speech” sense of the word.
BTW, about your golden calf:
Slick Willie was NOT the first president to despoil the oval office. He was just following the example of your fair-haired boy who romped with stars (not just starlets and harlots) in that playroom while his Mrs. was back in Newport doing who or what we can only guess.
Except those who were part of the transport system that departed Washington National each Friday evening when there was no “state dinner” scheduled. Of course most of them are gone now either by old age or…….
Most.
Not all.
145 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 28, 2007 at 4:51 pm
FROM THE BUNKER’S ZZZZZZZZZZ, SNORT,ZZZZ SLEEPY NEWS DEPARTMENT
The Spice Girls have confirmed they will reform for a world tour to take place in December and January.
146 EXT // Jun 28, 2007 at 7:25 pm
I hope you meant “reform”…not “perform”. Their “performances” have been very few of late, their audience having deserted them. Of course, were they to “reform” and perhaps cover themselves in hot ashes on stage in repentence…..hell, I might buy a ticket. But not two.
147 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 28, 2007 at 10:16 pm
EXT
Reform was their wording, not mine. That was the way the press release came through the Bunker Teletype. Must be British ya know
148 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 28, 2007 at 10:20 pm
They are reforming in order to perform on a new album and a world tour. I think they should change their name to The Spice Women, though.
149 EXT // Jun 29, 2007 at 12:45 am
Re: 147
I was cool with the wording….sincerely hoping it was NOT a typo!
Those insults to womanhood are in serious need of reformation!
If they have gone back to doing music they might find a audience again someday. If they are just doing political rallies at concert prices they’ll quickly discover that people get really ticked when they’ve been fooled twice!
150 egospeak // Jun 29, 2007 at 6:43 am
L@Y,
re: your post #134
Darthmeister #129
your post #120
The words of our Lord are surely true and always worthy of being heeded, but especially when they concern pride and hypocrisy. It is not a small thing to be guilty of either. See the seven woes in Matthew 23.
You accuse Hank of hypocrisy (and pride always rides shotgun with hypocrisy) because he contrasts the conservative view of compassion and charity with the liberal/socialist view and uses examples from his own life to demonstrate the difference. Perhaps… perhaps you have a point, and it may well be that Hank has lost his reward in Heaven for those two good deeds. Perhaps. If so, what does that say about your bragging about you and your family’s long history of military service? It reminds me of another scripture, “Physician, heal thyself.”
Make no mistake, I am not and would not criticize you for your service to our country. I thank God for people like you who are willing to serve, and one of my greatest regrets is that I cannot count myself among them. But even distinguished military service is no shield against pride and hypocrisy.
Regards,
151 conserve-a-tips // Jun 29, 2007 at 6:55 am
EXT, are you thining of the Dixie Chicks? I didn’t realize that the Spice Girls did anything but jiggle and sing. They were totally hedonistic, but I didn’t think they had the brains to be politically active.
152 conserve-a-tips // Jun 29, 2007 at 7:07 am
EXT, I wasn’t accusing you of being fat when I asked you if you were thining of the Dixie Chicks. I just didn’t have on my glasses and was typing blind.
153 Darthmeister // Jun 29, 2007 at 7:12 am
You’re twisted, Lying@You. I did not share what I did to show how I’ve ingratiated myself with God, but rather to shame you for your own utter lies and hypocrisy. The Pharisees did it to be seen, not to shame those around them into acts of righteousness.
You, on the other hand, are a perfect example of those hypocrites who saw need and did not help those as in the parable of the Samaritan helping the one who was wounded by a robber on the roadway.
Though “all our ‘righteous deeds’ are as filthy rags in the sight of God” and do nothing to enhance our standing in the Kingdom of God, true Christians understand that whatever works we accomplish are a result of God’s blessings and “God ar work in us both to will and to do according to his good pleasure.” You mocking what I did in the name of Christ is positively satanic. You used my sharing of my family’s act of charities to bloviate in hopes of covering up your worthless hypocrisy. Your lost in the web of your own lies and self-deception. I pity such lost souls like you who cannot celebrate in the charity of others but use it as an opportunity to beat them over the head in order to advance your pathetic, evil political agenda of hate.
You’ve mocked me, you’ve mocked my wife, you’ve mocked my son. Have you no shame?
154 Darthmeister // Jun 29, 2007 at 7:19 am
That’s “God at work in us…”
The only “pompous jerk” here for the last two years, you worthless lying troll, has been you. Just like leftists like you to project your foibles on other people with whom you disagree. It’s been your long standing modus operandi. Look in a mirror sometime, you filthy man, you just might hate what you see instead of hating us for telling the truth about you.
155 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 7:42 am
Please Henry, calm down! Find that peace deep within that you say is there.
How is it you know so much about MY giving, or the lack of it?
Why callest thou me filthy?
How is you language different from the Islamofacists you are so often talking about?
Many here claim to be “fruit inspectorsâ€, this is the fruit you should be examining,
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
What hypocrites do is try to find sin so they can throw a rock, and hate with the claim of license.
Bless you Henry, may peace be upon you.
156 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 8:11 am
Henry,
It is true I have mocked you! You are such a unique, loud and pompous “character” you present a target that is hard to resist!
I have mocked “the image” of the son you protect, while encouraging other peoples sons to fight and die. But, I have no reason to believe your son is not a fine young man.
Your wife Henry? When have I ever referred to your wife?
157 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 29, 2007 at 8:59 am
I was wondering if there was confusion in EXT’s remarks, but being nice (who me worry) I never said anything. But, on the other side perhaps, because I never listened carefully to the Spicer’s maybe there was a hidden meaning such as the Beatles’ “I buried Paul.”
After all I am sorry to say I am forced to remember this is the 40th anniversary of Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band
158 Mack // Jun 29, 2007 at 8:59 am
“Just when you think it is safe to go back in the water.” Or in this case back to the old blogging grounds I find the same tripe from the same loser trolls who defy logic with banalities. I would have to say it is a waste of time but I have another bet going and that makes it worth the time to post. In this case it is as usual easy money. Todd, I warned you.
Usually I don’t have to say anything, I usually just have to show up and they come scurrying like roaches in a tenement. I always liked the word “tenement” in that it is testament to the left’s idea of taking care of the poor. Crime ridden dumps funded by taxpayers to hold the Democrat base in the inner cities. New Orleans is now due for rebuilding as the Democrats down there are shaky at best since the hurricane. With the vast majority of the lower 9th ward scattered around the country and murder rates higher than before the hurricane there may not be many Democrat voters left by the time the primaries come to town.
They do little else. Every two years these folks can be counted on to vote and every month they can be counted on to cash their welfare checks and collect their food stamps as they wait for the next election. Maybe this expalins why the Democrats are so eager to restore voting rights to convicted felons?
159 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 29, 2007 at 9:07 am
FROM THE BUNKER’S NEWS ROOM’S “DEMOCRATS NEVER GIVE UP” DEPARTMENT
CHENEY PROBED OVER SALMON DIE OFF
The House Natural Resources Committee announced Thursday that it will hold hearings into Vice President Dick Cheney’s involvement in Klamath River water management that many think led to the die-off of more than 70,000 salmon four years ago.
160 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 29, 2007 at 9:10 am
This 4th of July I shall hold a memorial service for the 70,00 dead salmon by eating one of their kind. Yummy
161 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 29, 2007 at 9:11 am
er, I will hold a memorial………
162 Darthmeister // Jun 29, 2007 at 9:13 am
You learn well from your father of lies who is also conversant with Holy Writ and brings false accusations against even the God’s own children. First, our charity is both family-based and church-based and is given in the name of Christ. We are not individuals, like the Pharisee, who stands on the street corner extolling all the wonderful things he’s done for God. If that same Pharisee had been standing on the same street corner praising God for His manifold blessings and giving God the glory for having worked through him and his family as evidence of God’s redemption, why that person would be considered an evangelist of God, would he not! When it comes to truly understanding Holy Scripture you’re little more than a filthy bull in a china closet, Lying@You.
You obviously don’t even know what a hypocrite is, but the example you’ve made of yourself will do just fine to illustrate my point. I refer back to you thumping your chest about being a LIBERAL who cares about “the welfare of the people” in post #123. In the two years you’ve been dispensing your self-righteous hatred here, you’ve given me no reason to believe otherwise by your bloviating obscurantism that you are absolutely blind to your own arrogant hypocrisy in preaching something that you have no intention of doing yourself.
It’s self-righteous twits like you – who tirelessly pat themselves on the back for seeing the need but then YOU do little about it other than wail that there has to be a goverment agency responsible for addressing the need – who are the hypocrites. And then to add insult to injury you condemn conservatives as Pharisees for using their own private resources to reach out as a family toward those neighbors and strangers who are in need. And I bet when you – the relatively affluent liberal American that smart people like you must be – hand two bucks to a panhandler you probably see yourself giving away Fort Knox. And then you have the unmitigated gall to condemn conservatives as being unconcerned about the welfare of people. You’re side of the aisle has been engaging in that lie for the last forty years and it is wearing thin.
Liberals have demonstrated themselves to be people who more often than not define their compassion how much they can empower government to take from everyone else’s private resources to address perceived inequities. And once again we come back to the Good Samaritan – liberals see the need but then expect some government agency to come to the rescue. Far better to be in sin for either not seeing or simply ignoring the desperate need before ones very eyes, than being an outright hypocrite by seeing the need, whine about how something needs to be done, and then get yourself off the hook by invoking a need for more government.
If you believe you lack of affluence or ability to help your neighbor in need, then band together with other like-minded liberals and pool your resources – ever think of that, troll? And unlike you, I would celebrate to hear how you’ve personally and directly addressed the issue of your neighbors’ poverty – and not forgetting spiritual poverty is always the greatest need to address.
Similarly, what was Jesus’ response to the disciples when they came to Him about those who hungered? “YOU FEED THEM,” Jesus commanded. He didn’t say get Caesar to feed them or develop some twelve point strategy that would take from the rich and give to the poor. Real compassion is based strictly on private charity, WHAT YOU GIVE – and, no, I’m not talking just about money. So don’t deceive yourself into thinking your some kind of “compassionate liberal” because of people like you empowering the government to take more money out our wallets in order to enlarge the welfare state. You can continue in your bloviating denials or you can choose to follow the truth. The choice, as always, is yours. But I bet you’ll try to slime your way out of this, too.
163 Darthmeister // Jun 29, 2007 at 9:17 am
Sheesh, “If you believe you lack the affluence or ability to help your neighbor in need, then band together with other like-minded liberals …”
164 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 9:22 am
Yo, Mack. It seems you always have a bet, are you a bookie, or something like that?
I’d like to cost you some money, but somehow I think you will claim a win, if I speak, or remain silent.
Talk about banal tripe, reread your own post sounds like Sam Spade to me.
Well, I gotta scurry now.
But I’ll be Laughing@You!
165 Mack // Jun 29, 2007 at 9:35 am
Awhile ago there was a liberal fellow I worked with who was harping on the gun control issues of the day. I got tired of listening to him so I made a $50.00 dollar bet with him that he could not go down to the local sporting goods store and buy a handgun. This even though he has no criminal record at all. He took the bet and came back mad.
You see, in Iowa you have to have a permit to purchase a handgun and a permit to carry. Yet criminals can get guns illegally without back ground checks or classes. Now Sean is a Republican. The bet was enough to shake him out of his comfort zone and cause him to actually look into a lot of the tripe the media and other liberal entities sell everyday.
I find when people are challenged and have a stake in the outcome they will actually pay attention, actually research an issue to get the truth, even if it is only to prove their point and win a bet. I have never lost one and the person who determines this is the person I bet with. For this to work the person has to have integrity and intelligence so it would not work on the average troll who has neither.
166 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 9:42 am
MATTHEW 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad, for great is your reward in heaven; for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
167 Darthmeister // Jun 29, 2007 at 9:47 am
What with the latest Supreme Court rulings, the Shamnesty defeat and the overwhelming rejection of the left-wing’s attempt to muzzle conservatives with the sHrillary/Boxer un”fairness doctrine”, conservative and free market ideals are kicking the bejeepers out of bankrupt liberalism.
This political dynamic clearly cuts through the bias of the lamestream media: What often is being rejected is lukewarm “Republicanism” (i.e. RINOism) and not traditional conservatism – despite the self-delusion of radical leftists in this country.
168 Darthmeister // Jun 29, 2007 at 9:48 am
… sHrillary ate my post.
169 Mack // Jun 29, 2007 at 9:50 am
Charity is more a matter of action than word. Two people could do the same thing for different reasons. One would be charitable and one not. Personally I do the things I do because I want to. What ever good comes of it is between God and me.
I served in the Marine Corps because I wanted to be a Marine. I as a cop because I wanted to be a cop. Now I’m a Volunteer Firefighter / First Responder because I want to do that. It doesn’t pay my bills but I love doing it. Does it help people and provide a witness of my faith as a Christian? I hope so, but I do it because I enjoy it and because I am good at it.
To sacrifice something is to give up something that is dear to you. For Donald Trump to give someone a $100.00 dollar bill would be nothing, but to most of us $100.00 dollars is big money. If my time spent doing public service is a joy to me, can I really consider it a sacrifice?
170 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 10:11 am
Mack,
I have a Statewide Firearms License (Carry Openly), and a Concealed Weapons License. My training officer said to me a couple of years ago I could probably make anybody’s team. Many times I have been relieved to have been armed.
Michigan used to have that purchase permit deal. It took 6 weeks to get the thing, you had to execute it within six weeks, and then you had to get a new one with each handgun you bought.
Mack, I agree you can’t prevent handgun crime. But, it does seem like the responsible thing to make an attempt to keep them out of hands of lunatics.
I had a fifty dollars bet with a fella once that even he was not in favor of the abolishment of all gun laws. When, he took the bet, I grinned and said: What if your neighbor parked a howitzer in his driveway with the muzzle pointed at your front door? He said, FINE, and took my money, was that NRA fella you?
171 Mack // Jun 29, 2007 at 10:42 am
Mickey Spilane wrote some entertaining stuff, I would hope to be more of a Joseph Wambaugh though.
Gun control is only one issue I win money on. Abortion is an easy target, Evolution even easier, frankly there are no liberal issues that can stand up to factual thought processes. The whole trick is to get people to think past what they have been told. In a way trolls serve a useful purpose there because they minimize their status and credibility by their obfuscation.
The Howitzer argument would be a good example of that much as the pro-abortion crowd calling abortion a women’s health issue. It’s not, it’s a means for many a man to get out of paying child support. It reduces women to the status of a disposable receptacle.
When thinking women see how it abases and degrades them they tend to think twice about what they support. The trick again is to get them to think past the one liners. It’s a choice alright, whether or not to kill a human being who is helpless and inocent.
172 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 10:50 am
“In a way trolls serve a useful purpose there because they minimize their status and credibility by their obfuscation.” Mack could you stop that! Henry can hear you, and you know how he picks things up!
173 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 10:57 am
Mack, if you were the husband of a young woman, and a doctor said to you about your wife in labor: “We have a problem, we can not save both your wife and your child, you must choose>” Which would you be, an advocate of abortion, or a murderer?
174 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 10:59 am
Mack, let’s do evolution. Prove it is an invalid theory.
175 Mack // Jun 29, 2007 at 11:22 am
Post 172. When NARAL was asked to provide just one case where that scenario was present they were not able to. C-Section was preferred. Don’t tell me you aren’t familiar with how John Edwards made his money as a trial lawyer where he sued doctors for waiting to long to perform C-Sections. Translated, that whole argument is based on a lie.
Post 173. Even easier. We exist. All theories of evolution have one common failure, they have to start with matter being already in existence. Just as an example, the “Big Bang” theory started with a mass exploding in space. Where did the original matter come from?
At some point creation had to have occurred for any matter to exist.
176 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 11:38 am
Me! It happened to me Mack!
Have you ever delivered a baby? Breech birth, asymmetrical pelvic opening, baby’s head diameter.
What if you were in an area where there was no hospital, or a small hospital on a weekend, and the baby is in the birth canal? Or no surgeon is available, and delivering physician won’t do the surgery?
Just in the event what I’m saying to you isn’t BS, MAKE CALL EMT! I DID!
177 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 11:48 am
Evolution doesn’t have anything to do with the Big Bang! I do not believe in the Big Bang!
Have you read Genesis?
If on the first day the earth was in darkness, was the first day 24 hours long?
How old is the earth?
Why did Omnipotent God take six days to create what he could have instantly spoken into existence.
I believe the creator of the universe is Almighty God! How he did it, or choose to explain it to man, is unimportant!
Could you change the word day to be “period” in not be in conflict with God’s Word?
178 Mack // Jun 29, 2007 at 11:56 am
You lied about your permit first today. All permits are statewide. Carry permits are issued under two classes, professional and non-professional. Professional non-law enforcement are all concealed carry permits. States don’t like people walking around like Dodge City, even in Michigan. Professional permits are issued for uniformed people unless specified such as for a private body guard.
The second point I also question in that if you had that situation in the field they would fly the patients out via life flight or they both would die any way. Further point is even a paramedic doesn’t have the surgical training a surgeon has to make that call in the field. So I tend not to believe you.
Even a breach birth can be removed via C-section. How ever we both know that abortion on demand is not what we are talking about here don’t we but rather emergency C-Section. Once again obfuscation in absence of addressing an issue marks the liberal as a liar.
179 Mack // Jun 29, 2007 at 11:59 am
This reminds me of the lie I caught you in last year discussing the battle of Kafgi, remember that?
I am sure many do in that shortly after that you changed your name and came after me personally every time I posted.
180 Fred Sinclair // Jun 29, 2007 at 12:03 pm
I think I’ve finally caught on to the great conspiracy.
The way the President has it planned is about 4 months before the election of ‘08 he issues full pardons for everybody the libs have
screwed over (including the Border Patrol guys in prison), then he resigns and the VP becomes president – three months before the elections, President Cheney resigns making Nancy Pelosi the President.
Three months of Nancy would guarentee a Republican victory and give “The smartest woman in the world” time enough to see to it that Nancy couldn’t run for re-election. Thompson, Hunter or Huckabee would win by a landslide
Heirborn Ranger
181 RedPepper // Jun 29, 2007 at 12:13 pm
Hey there Mack! Good to see you here!
I see you’re hunting troll today. Remember – be sure to use enough gun!
182 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 12:14 pm
No, I don’t remember it, refresh my memory please. Listen Mack, I don’t lie! Nothing here is worth lying about. Is it possible you’ve got the wrong guy? What was my name before you say I changed it?
As I recall it, the battle of Kafgi, was more of a skirmish, fought principally by the Saudi’s, preceding the U. S. Army’s 7th Corps attack on Republican Guard positions in Kuwait, and Iraq, I wasn’t there, but my son brought me a Republican Guard Beret, have you ever seen one?
183 Fred Sinclair // Jun 29, 2007 at 12:15 pm
At one point in time (of God’s choosing) He decided to do it; so He spake BANG! and everything since then, we call history. (btw that was a VERY LOUD BANG!!! that He spake – hence, “The Big Bang Theory”). Satisfied now?
Heirborn Ranger
184 Mack // Jun 29, 2007 at 12:21 pm
Last post of the day in that I have to go to work, but I’ll touch briefly on your last strange rant. God can and did do what he chose. As you mentioned, it is up to man to figure that out. Science does little more it would seem than study God’s creation and try to figure it out.
We know from the one irrefutable fact that we exist and there for creation had to take place. From DNA to chlorophyll God’s creation remains amazing. At the moment I am thankful for spell check but I need little more than to look at my hands as I type to know that the intricate workings of all living things are far beyond what could be from super heated swamp scum that magically came to life, reproduced and evolved to the world we now know.
All Plant and animal life past and present evolved after something created the initial mass? Now that takes faith.
Oh, if you can post a link to Michigan’s Penal code and show me the carry statute I will apologize for calling you a liar.
185 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 12:22 pm
Mack,
The class “G” license in Florida is called a “Statewide Firearms License.” Why don’t you check that now, then maybe you should apologize.
186 Mack // Jun 29, 2007 at 12:24 pm
Kafgi is a town in Northern Saudi Arabia.
187 its-just-me // Jun 29, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Re: 165 -
Wow, L@Y, you really think anyone here is criticizing you because of the upstanding Christian you are??
If a Christian is killed in a robbery, it doesn’t make him a martyr, and if he’s criticized, it isn’t necessarily because of Christ.
188 Mack // Jun 29, 2007 at 12:35 pm
The U.S. Army wasn’t involved in the battle of Kafgi. Marines held positions near the town when Saddam sent a division of regular Iraqi army troops supported by tanks in and occupied it. During the fight several Marine LAVs from 1st LAI Battalion were destroyed by friendly fire from Air Force A-10s who fired on them in error. I knew people who died there personally, we were stationed together at Las Flores or “41″ area at Camp Pendleton.
The Saudi Army took the town back after an intense battle the next day, all weeks before we invaded Kuwait to force Sadam’s army out. The Republican Guards were not involved as Sadam was holding Them in reserve further north.
Funny you should say that your son fought there, the troll I outed before said the exact same thing. He also claimed that the army fought the battle all of which was not true.
189 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Mack see 181, Yes, “Kafgi is a town in Northern Saudi Arabia”, near the Kuwait border.
190 Mack // Jun 29, 2007 at 12:38 pm
“Michigan used to have that purchase permit deal. It took 6 weeks to get the thing, you had to execute it within six weeks, and then you had to get a new one with each handgun you bought.”
So now you have a Florida permit? Post a link to Florida’s Penal code.
191 EXT // Jun 29, 2007 at 12:45 pm
Catching up…
Yes, I did confuse The Spice girls with the Dixie Rhode Island Reds. Easy to do when the last CD one purchased was by Perry Como.
On abortion: I think the world will be a better place when abortion is optional for normal people and mandatory for liberals.
On religion: I still don’t believe that a liberal can be a Christian without abandoning the Liberal Faith. Maybe it’s like trying to quit a gang? Ask for “out” and you get put out…with extreme prejudice?
Every moment a liberal spents railing at my jibes is a moment some child is safe from indoctrination or exploitation!
192 Darthmeister // Jun 29, 2007 at 1:00 pm
Welcome back, Mack. Good to see you slashing the ignorant Black Knigget with your sharpened sword … IT’S ONLY A FLESH WOUND!
Lying@You, technically speaking a howitzer isn’t a “gun” or a “firearm”, it’s an artillery piece (i.e. cannon). Artillery pieces, mortars and “destructive devices” (i.e. bombs) are not protected under the First Amendment. What the Second Amendment protects is that which is man portable, doh! That has long been established in law going back to the founding period, though in times past wealthy individuals who could afford the occasional cannon sometimes did so for decorative purposes, but not so today!
Neither can one own a nuclear weapon, a working battleship or a tank with an operable cannon you ignorant troll. Any arguments which invoke these devices is totally bogus. So the joke is on you after all, the NRA member deserved the $50.00 bet even if it was for the wrong reason. I’m surprised he didn’t throw it back in your face for your ignorant impudence regarding the Second Amendment, but sad to say even some staunch Second Amendment proponents don’t understand constitutional law. The Second Amendment protects the rights of the individual citizen only with respect to “bearing arms” – something we call “smallarms” today. Strike one.
As to your Pharisaical attempt to create a faux moral dilemma about abortion, every pro-life Christian I know always make the exception in the case where the mother’s life is truly in danger – but those cases are extremely rare. But in those cases where both the unborn child’s and mother’s life could be lost due to some rare complications, then the Hippocratic oath to do no harm and to do maximum good would require saving the life of at least one person – the mother or unborn baby. I personally knew a mother-to-be who, because of a dire medical condition, made the call herself by telling her husband to make every effort to save her baby and that she would meet him at heaven’s gate. If such a situation were to arise where the mother’s life was truly in danger, that would be a matter strictly between that of the mother-to-be and her husband. But your attempt to make the exception prove the rule is cynically pathetic.
Of the hundreds that I personally know, I don’t know of any mainstream pro-lifer who would say otherwise.
193 Darthmeister // Jun 29, 2007 at 1:09 pm
Doh! That’s, “Artillery pieces, mortars, and “destructive devices” (i.e. bombs) aren’t protected under the Second Amendment …”
But what is protected under the First Amendment, I’m saddened to say, is that big lying bazooka you have for a mouth, L@Y.
194 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 1:10 pm
Mack, just check my statement, and quit suggesting I said something, I did not. You owe me an apology!
195 Darthmeister // Jun 29, 2007 at 1:10 pm
… Barbara Boxer’s unfairness doctrine stole my post.
196 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 1:15 pm
All these “stole my post” posts, reveal your immaturity. Now, surely you can lay down a few hundred words of denial. Twit!
197 Mack // Jun 29, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Darthmeister, today’s word is “Obfuscation.” In this case artful Dodger also know as Laughing@you has switched topics in mid stream from abortion on demand to Emergency C-Section. He can’t defend abortion on demand but he can defend an emergency C-section so he re-directs us away from the original argument.
It only took him minutes to put Todd’s money in my pocket. Easiest quarter I’ll ever make but now we are going to study the lib media and the way they quote people like Ann Coulter. “Obfuscation” is the art of the liberal and the only thing they have. When that fails out right lies are their next resort. For a reference see the Ann Coulter exchange with the Edwards’ campaign.
I showed Todd the original column she wrote and we watched how the media reported the whole debacle. It was a lie form start to finish in both the way it was reported and the way the tried to set her up. Ann is a big girl and she took care of herself making little John look a fool for having to have his wife defend him. (It would appear his mommy was not available.)
198 Mack // Jun 29, 2007 at 1:26 pm
If you have a permit the Penal Code section which authorizes it is printed on it somewhere. Simply type that in this little box and we will all know.
It’s not hard. Now I must be going but I’ll check back in an hour to see if I need apologize.
199 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 1:46 pm
Mack,
Ok, you lazy buzzard, here it is:
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/security/firearms.html
Now be a man, let’s hear it loud and clear!
You can do that, can’t you?
200 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Mack,
About 196, you and Henry look silly doing your End Zone Dance, and with no points on the board.
201 Darthmeister // Jun 29, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Mack,
I followed that tempest in a teapot, too. The shameless way in which Chris Matthews set up Ann Coulter by having Ms. John Edwards call in and rail at Ann for saying “it’s too bad he wasn’t killed by a terrorist attack” is attack-dog liberal obscurantism at its finest hour.
As you know, what Chris Matthews, Ms. Edwards and the liberal media did was ignore everything Ann had said up to that point when she mused aloud why it was left-wing wankers like Bill Maher can publicly wish Cheney had been killed by the terrorist attempt in Afghanistan and yet not receive a single rebuke from so-called reasonable, compassionate liberals who whine about all the rancor and hate in the public discourse. Of course, these same liberals never will apologize for inflammatory partisan lies made by their own side which equated American soldiers with Nazis, President Bush with Hilter, or GITMO with Soviet-style gulags.
Ann sarcastically noted if Bill Maher wasn’t going to receive any liberal outrage from those claiming such sensitivities to “hate speech”, then why should she be condemned by the same kool-aid swilling liberals if she engaged in the same rhetoric but applied it to John Edwards. A pithy kind of sarcasm to be sure, but an effective one in holding the mirror up to hypocritical liberals who live in their world of double-standards.
202 Effeminem // Jun 29, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Right. Guantanamo should only be compared to concentration camps. It’s even less accurate, but it maintains the 3rd Reich metaphor.
203 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 29, 2007 at 2:55 pm
My dog’s bigger than your dog. Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah.
204 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 29, 2007 at 3:00 pm
Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?~~2 Corinthians 13:5
205 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 3:26 pm
Mack,
Where are you dude? I can imagine you must be ashamed, but the longer you put it off the harder it will be, this will be good training for you.
206 Fred Sinclair // Jun 29, 2007 at 4:28 pm
WHERE IS SUCH AN EMPLOYER? I’M STILL LOOKING
I’ve been seeking and searching but cannot find a company, corporation,
business, or enterprise of any kind, size, sort, shape, type or description
that is currently paying the insurance premiums for their employee’s Auto,
Home, Fire, Flood, Hurricane, Tornado, bicycle, motorcycle, etc., etc.,
insurance. There are a few that pay the premium on a life insurance policy
but only on their CEO and a few other high ranking muckety-mucks since it
will cost a great deal to find a replacement if that person dies.
My question is: Where did the idea originate that employers should pay the
premiums for an employee’s health and/or hospitalization insurance? And
where they are paying the premium, why isn’t that amount included on the
employee’s W-2 Form, for income tax purposes?
Who or what gives employers the right or responsibility of picking and
choosing what insurance policy premium they will or won’t pay for their
employees? Why don’t they increase the employee’s pay by that amount and let
the employee go out into the Free Enterprise market and purchase such
hospitalization insurance as he or she feels is appropriate for his or her
personal circumstances? The same way they buy their Auto insurance.
Heirborn Ranger
207 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 4:29 pm
Awe, Gee Mack,
We were all expecting so much better from you.
Come on back will you, I have a bet!
208 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 4:39 pm
“Good to see you slashing the ignorant Black Knigget with your sharpened …” Bahwahwahhaha
209 EXT // Jun 29, 2007 at 4:49 pm
This is getting scary!
A confessed Liberal claiming to actually own a firearm! Only two possibilities:
1. A liberal-wannabee who has not yet embraced firearms confiscation but is working on it in hopes of being recognized by the herd one day.
2. A liar.
Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen!
210 Darthmeister // Jun 29, 2007 at 4:52 pm
Effeminem, the only thing you know about Guantanamo is what the liberal media and half-baked “human rights” organizations tell you.
The illegal enemy combatants detained at Guantanamo fight under no flag under no color of law and outside the protections of the international law of armed conflicts. Prisoners at Guantanamo receive constant medical care, regular meals, Red Cross visits and access to counsel. The average inmate puts on twenty pounds, but then liberals would probably whine we’re trying to kill them with kindness. The conditions at Guantanamo are better than:
* the conditions afforded by the Union to Confederate soldiers during the U.S. Civil War (as well as those afforded Union soldiers by the Confederacy)
* what was affored to thoseNazis who were “tortured” (definitely by today’s definition) by American troops in World War II and there was no public or international outrage. Did that do irreparable damage to America’s image even among its enemies, provoke the surviving German population into a murderous outrage, turn World War II an ignoble effort or blowback on FDR and Truman? No to all the above.
* the spontaneous execution of unarmed Waffen-SS soldiers by American soldiers at Dachau (remember, this was America’s greatest generation fighting in a noble cause – so where was the outrage then and now, eh?)
* the shooting down of parachuting German pilots over occupied Europe by American pilots so they can’t fly again; and
* the conditions prevailing in in the jails of many countries throughout the world today (which often lack medical care, refuse religious materials like Bibles and Korans, refuse access to counsel or due process and refuse access to the Red Cross).
Those suffering from their faux outrage resulting from their anti-Bush Derangement Syndrome may use the U.S. policy on enemy combatants as a political tool to advance their own warped anti-America political agenda, but there is nothing in the U.S.’s present policy that is inconsistent with America’s history in treating armed combatants and certainly not inconsistent with the treatment of illegal enemy combatants by other nations who are also signatories to the Geneva and Hague protocols.
You have to put GITMO and Abu Ghraib into some sort of historical context. Sure rules may have been broken, emotions may have gotten the better of those who saw the Twin Towers come down on 9/11. And frankly some of those entrusted with these prisoners were probably sado-masochistic people twisted by the freakery of our own permissive society. But those who went beyond the line are being identified, punished or will be punished under the UCMJ. The same cannot be said of our enemies. That is what separates our projection of military force from theirs.
We are a long ways from “stooping to their level” by summarily torturing, mutilating and then beheading Muslim fanatics as they have done with every one of our captured soldiers to date. I reject false moral equivalences which attempt to sully the reputation of America’s fighting forces with the over-publicized excesses of a handful of American soldiers. Even in civilian prisons you’re not going to get perfection anywhere in the world … but I guess that’s Bush’s fault, too.
Muslim extremists have already had a long history of such barbaric behavior well before Bush became President and they need no further provocation or excuse to continue engaging in such barbaric behavior. Those who rail against GITMO are actually making good arguments for simply killing all illegal enemy combatants on the battlefield since that is precisely the only dignity they deserve for banding together with rapists and sadistic murderers who make it a practice to use human shields or targetting innocent civilians.
211 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 5:13 pm
EXT,
one of your several problems is that you get ALL your information about Democrats from Republicans, or Neo-Con Nutjobs.
212 Darthmeister // Jun 29, 2007 at 5:25 pm
EXT, have you forgotten, Lying@You claims to be a Goldwater conservative?
The trouble with Lying@You is he gets all his information from liberal media outlets and lying left-wing bloggers. It’s fairly self-evident.
213 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 6:00 pm
EXT,
When I smack Dorky, even a light stroke, he runs in circles crying like a girl.
So I have to be very careful with him, but tell the twit I bet I visit left-wing blogs less than 20% as often as he does; but I do prefer MSM to Faux News, Rush and Drudge.
Whatever I watch, apparently I know what’s going on better than he does. Tell him to remember, I had Dumbyah’s number from the gitgo.
Thanx EXT
214 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 29, 2007 at 6:01 pm
Only a suicidal maniac would desire the release of the homicidal maniacs sequestered there in that distant, serene island setting.
Or an undercover homicidal maniac in cahoots with the homicidal maniacs sequestered there in that distant, serene island setting, I guess. Maybe.
Funny how the MSM doesn’t mention much about the ones that, all along, actually have been, and are still, vetted and released.
215 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 29, 2007 at 6:23 pm
The sun actually came out long enough this morning to dry things enough so that I could finally mow my front lawn before it became any more unsightly. The ground squished under my feet. Suddenly, we had another torrential downpour about 45 minutes ago. It smells like a swamp out there. Insects are rampant. Birds splash in the birdbath out back. After several attempts over the last couple of years, I have successfully propagated my favorite rose~~the Chrysler Imperial. This is my second successful rose propagation.
216 Darthmeister // Jun 29, 2007 at 6:37 pm
Lying@You, you’re “logic” defeats me again. Clearly you’re a modest person who has much to be modest about.
217 Darthmeister // Jun 29, 2007 at 6:41 pm
With my spelling I see I have much to be modest about. The first “you’re” should be “your.”
We’re experiencing a Global Warming evening in the lower 60s here in flyover country, but the brats and burgers are hitting the grill anyway!
JL3rd, if you don’t watch it, our PC federal government is going to declare your property a protected wetland.
218 Harry Daschle // Jun 29, 2007 at 6:57 pm
CAT re#88: Craig is from Idaho, NOT Indiana.
I only point this out because it is bad enough that Sen Richard Lugar is not listening to his base anymore!
Although Sen Evan Bayh (D) went back on his PREVIOUS yea vote and now voted nay. No real surprise, seeing as how even some libs are against the illegal invasion, and you remember how Bill Clinton held his finger up to the “political winds” and changed his opinions, just so he would still be liked!
219 Harry Daschle // Jun 29, 2007 at 7:04 pm
Here is what another Conservative in Indiana has to say about Lugar and his recent (revised) stance on the war in Iraq.
http://blogs.indystar.com/varvelblog/index.html
220 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 7:16 pm
“I only point this out because it is bad enough that Sen Richard Lugar is not listening to his base anymore!”
Everthink maybe he’s a true leader like Dumbyah, and is unaffected by polls, or pressure?
221 Laughing@You // Jun 29, 2007 at 7:37 pm
Darththedangerous spellingsok, it’s your ideas that are boogered up!
222 Beerme // Jun 29, 2007 at 8:40 pm
In Michigan, one currently needs a purchasing permit prior to the actual purchase of a handgun (or more accurately prior to the actual handover of the purchased handgun). This applies to each handgun purchased. Exceptions are often made for LE employees on the fees for these permits, but I believe the permit is required for all.
How astute must a handgun instructor be who can recognize tactical excellence from a weekend warrior at a class intended to teach handgun fundamentals and safety? Maybe he is a recruiter for the local SWAT team. L-at-Y should apply.
You go, Dirty Harry (or was it Sanchez?)!
223 conserve-a-tips // Jun 29, 2007 at 8:53 pm
Wow. Where to begin. I love you all, maybe????
BTW, Mack, my first was breach. The doc came in and looked at the ultrasound and said, “Everything’s fine here. I’m going home and will be back.” The nurse said, “Sir, I think she’s breach.” Doc said, “No. No. Everything is fine. Call me when she’s closer.” He left. The nurse got a radiologist and said to him, “Look!! Here’s the head and here’s the butt. She’s breach.” Radiologist says, “Yep. Better call the Doc.” The doc is called, he comes back and they are running around to get ready for a C-section. From the time that I arrived at the hospital to the time the baby was born was about an hour. From the time that they wheeled me in, to the time that the baby was born was under three minutes. Mr. What-if L@Y, doesn’t know of what he speaks.
224 EXT // Jun 29, 2007 at 9:12 pm
Our resident troll, it seems, posts here because he has been banned from moveon.com and several other socialist websites for having asserted gun ownership.
Even if he’s out-and-out lying, it’s still too much for them!
More proof he’s not a peer-accepted liberal: He claims to have delivered a human baby—alive!
225 Laughing@You // Jun 30, 2007 at 12:16 am
There is a large security company, which requires all its employees to be firearm licensed. That company also mandates that employees receive additional company training related to company procedures, tactics, and the use of deadly force. Persons entering employment with the company at management or executive level are normally trained individually. That’s “one on one†with a training officer. This company pays monthly range fees and provides ammunition; oh yeah, there is one other thing, THEY HAVE A PISTOL TEAM! In addition, they have competition between branch offices.
Beerme, the Pershing hangout was “Eldees”.
226 Laughing@You // Jun 30, 2007 at 12:23 am
Tip, I guess that’s it! If it happened that way with you, that must be the way it always is!
227 Laughing@You // Jun 30, 2007 at 12:30 am
EXT,
No, no, me and MoveOn are fine! I worked the Katheryn Harris campaign for them!
228 conserve-a-tips // Jun 30, 2007 at 8:21 am
L@Y, that was 26 years ago and I was told then that with a C-Section it never takes longer than 5 minutes to get the baby out, hence the use when mother or baby is in trouble. OK, so do ya think that obstetrics has improved any since then??????
229 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 30, 2007 at 9:03 am
I find it somewhat encouraging that politics—that is, the pressure to retain the votes of the people who actually vote (citizens)—played a leading role in vanquishing the
immigrationamnesty bill.Now, after the fact of course, they have decided, “Well (sigh), okay, we’ll go ahead and enforce the existing (sigh) laws…..if we ha-a-ave to. (sigh)â€
Yes, you have to.
230 Darthmeister // Jun 30, 2007 at 9:30 am
I had an interesting encounter with a moonbat suffering from BDS yesterday. After the liberal media has been ballyhooing for the last week or so that a section of barrier/fence intrudes into Mexican land and now has to be relocated this former liberal friend bellyached, “Bush is a moron” … “Bush is Hitler” … “the barrier is just like the Berlin Wall” … and “now it’s going to cost $3 million dollars to relocate a section of it … blah, blah, blah.”
After I tried to patiently explain that mistakes can happen like this, particularly in areas where there is pretty rugged terrain and pre-existing fences may influence where a new barrier might be erected, and the honest mistake of a foot or two was made by the engineers not Bush the moonbat scoffed even louder. “Trying to defend your moronic president Bushie again … filth, filth … blah, blah … yada, yada …”
Then I tried to cite James Johnson comments whose onion farm lies in the disputed area. “Well don’t take my word for it, even local residents say that’s some pretty difficult land to make a straight line between two points in mountainous areas that are two miles apart.”
“Just like liars like you to try and defend your idiotic President who can’t even tie his own shoes … more filth … more blah, blah …”
So I asked if that’s how he really felt and would he be acting the way he was if it had been a Democratic President in office at the time the fence was built? The BDS moonbat replied only an evil man like President Bush and the moronic pawns who work for him could make such a mistake and it was a mistake to build the fence in the first place … rant, rant, rant”
By that time I was getting pretty angry and before I turned to walk away from this raving lunatic moonbat who used to be an acquaintance years ago, I said with a smirk, “Well, I can’t believe how filled with blind hate you’ve become despite your past claims of being ‘a man of peace and understanding’ because it turns out that fence in dispute was planned and built in the year 2000 when your beloved but ‘moronic’ Bill Clinton was President of the United States.”
His startled look was priceless.
231 conserve-a-tips // Jun 30, 2007 at 10:02 am
Darthmeister: Give this to your friend. I apologize for the length of the post, but I can’t link to the article (it’s mine)
The Fence
Twenty years ago, June 12, 1987, to the dismay of the State Department, President Ronald Reagan, in a speech at the Brandenburg Gate of the Berlin wall, made this statement:
“General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!â€
By mid-November of 1989, East Germans were free to venture past the confines of concrete, Reagan getting much of the credit, and Americans cheered. Though President Reagan really only played a part in the demise of communism in the Eastern Bloc countries – economic circumstances and the people, themselves, demanding liberty felled the system – he put into words the feelings and desires of an oppressed people, for the rest of the world. A great divide had been conquered. As many Americans cry for a fence to be built along the southern border with Mexico, are American citizens being hypocritical today?
There are three main purposes for a fence or wall. One purpose is to keep individuals in, restricting the freedom of movement to within the borders. A prison, a zoo, the Berlin Wall and the internment camps of WWII are examples of this use. The second purpose of a fence or wall is to keep individuals out because they are considered less desirable or are not members of an elite group. The decorative brick structures around a country club or private golf course fall into this category. The third purpose of a perimeter boundary is to keep chaos and evil out and order within. It offers an orderly flow from within to without and visa versa. The home security system, the ornate wrought iron fence around the White House, the car alarm and the locks on doors and windows are used for this purpose. The first two uses for a security boundary have a negative connotation and, in many cases, are far beneath a higher moral calling. The third purpose, however, is not only ethically honest, but also a necessity.
A fence along the United States border with Mexico falls into the last of these three categories. An influx of unchecked illegal persons into the country is leading to a chaos of financial, health and criminal disasters. No country can sustain a continual flood of individuals without the underpinnings of that country disintegrating in the onslaught. In the case of the United States, the citizens are not rejecting the individuals who are coming, but rather, are rejecting the chaos that has ensued as a result of poor regulation. This is not a negative reaction toward a people, but a cry for stability and order. Without stability and order, good can not be accomplished easily.
A good analogy would be a dam. A dam restricts the water flow of a river and backs that water into a lake. The purist might say that man destroys the natural purpose of the river by building a dam, but the realist understands that the chaos created by unrestricted flood waters is so devastating and so destructive to a way of life, that a dam that regulates the flow of water is a necessity. The dam’s gates can be opened or closed to manage the amount of water allowed downstream, thereby offering order to those on the path of the river. The lake, behind the dam, becomes a source of recreation and household water provisions. It is not the water that is bad, but the unrestricted flooding that wreaks havoc. A dam has the added bonus of producing electricity and so has dual purposes. A fence along the U.S. southern border can be as productive as any dam, regulating an orderly inflow of people from other countries, while providing jobs, outlets for tourist trades and attractions. But more effectively, it can be the sieve through which U.S. citizens and groups, both faith-based and secular, may systematically travel the other direction to teach the people in the southern countries about building businesses and industries, about farming and food production and about a representative form of government in order to give them a reason to regard their own countries as sustainable places to live. A fence can be a positive.
The President and Congress assume that simply promising a fence will lull those opposing the “comprehensive immigration reform” into accepting amnesty, misunderstanding that the public only wants that dam built and in operation without any talk of amnesty. Once border security is established and completed, while enforcement of the immigration laws in this country are carried out, one step at a time, and efforts are made to reach out and train peoples of other countries sustainable living techniques, then Congress can act on opening the “dam gates†for an orderly increase in visas issued to individuals. What the President and Congress are blindly pressing toward today, however, is simply increased chaos. If the politicians in Washington see no point to border security and immigration standards and see amnesty as the only viable option toward order, then perhaps they need to put their money where their mouth is and disable the alarm systems on their homes and cars, unlock their doors and windows, tear down their fences and fire their body guards or secret service men, allowing anyone who chooses to take up residence in their homes. Each one’s home is a microcosm of the country and if the politicians understand the necessity of order in their own homes, then surely they can grasp the concept of securing their country from chaos. Giving legal status to millions of illegals and any family members whom they might bring from elsewhere is simply increasing the chaos. Citizenship is not the issue. Legality is the issue. Chaos is just as detrimental to the legalized illegal as it is to the citizen.
Far from hypocrisy, the call for border security along the southern perimeter of the nation is not a cry for tyrannical oppression from within or bigoted exclusion without, but is a demand for order and tranquility, a concept established in the preamble of the Constitution of the United States. Perhaps the powers in Washington, D.C. could use a refresher course.
232 Laughing@You // Jun 30, 2007 at 11:24 am
Conserve-a-tips,
The best I can hope is maybe you didn’t read my post fully. My speculation about other possible scenarios may be subject to dispute. It seems to me, you just do not have sufficient reason to call me a liar!
It was my first hand account? The events I described happened forty three years ago. My guess is things have improved greatly, but then I’ve met “Murphy” too many times to say never.
One of the greatest barriers, to honest and open exchange is the way in which so much is “Swiftboated” here. I read John E. O’Neill’s “Unfit for Command”. I think a fair person might conclude the “Swiftboaters” were just “Republican Dirty Tricksters” who had once worn the uniform, and a pliable former CO who had made many previous statements commending Kerry.
John Kerry was awarded the “Silver Star” deservedly. He received it for actions in which George W. Bush would have been running for his rabbit hole to have somebody read him “My Pet Goat”. But, you got your way, and America and the world is far less safe for it.
True the election is over, but there are yet lessons to be fully learned.
233 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 30, 2007 at 12:41 pm
I disagree.
234 da Bunny // Jun 30, 2007 at 1:04 pm
Darthmeister #230
You just made my day!
235 EXT // Jun 30, 2007 at 1:59 pm
It is wisely said that if algore had been president on that fateful day the twin towers would be still standing.
It’s absolutely true!
The North tower would be a Sunni Mosque.
The South tower wold be a Shiite Mosque.
236 conserve-a-tips // Jun 30, 2007 at 7:42 pm
L@Y, talk about reading posts, I would like you to please show me where I called you a liar. You see, people like you are so defensive that you look at everything through emotion. I would really like to know what John Kerry has to do with abortion? Nothing. That post showed you floundering.
I hear you castigate this president and this board for the war and what that entails and yet, you find nothing wrong with ending the life of an individual based on situation ethics. If you are a Christian, then you must know God’s love affair with every human being ever created. Psalms 139: You knew me ever before I was formed in my mother’s womb…You know the number of my days…I am fearfully and wonderfully made; I know that full well because your works are wonderful… There is no excuse…none…for ending the life of a person, no matter in what stage of development that person may be. If God knows us before we are ever formed, then that means we are persons from the moment we are conceived.
People who take matters into their own hands show that they don’t really believe that God is in control and that somehow they have to take the reins. People who take matters into their own hands show that they love this life more than the life with the Father and will do anything, including killing someone else, in order to hang onto it. And the sad thing is that this life is only temporal…it goes away. But the life beyond goes forever. People had better start paying attention to what they do in this life, because they will be answering for it in the next. And that includes advocating or just staying silent regarding abortion.
237 Mack // Jun 30, 2007 at 8:21 pm
In referance to post #199, I went to work and didn’t get home until 0900 this morning after which I went to bed. Sorry to say that humiliating trolls takes a back seat to living my life.
How ever, on every carry permit issued in the United States by any state the Code section which authorizes it is printed on the permit. If you had one you could look at it and write it out here for all of us to see.
You didn’t do that, you used a search engine to find referance to it and then posted a link. I stand by my assertion that you are not only a liar, but that you are not a very good one.
Several people I know that post here have permits, some one please confirm this.
238 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 30, 2007 at 8:48 pm
WHEN WILL THE GREEN WEENIES EVER LEARN. NO REFINERIES–NO GAS
http://www.in-forum.com/News/articles/170421
239 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 30, 2007 at 8:50 pm
If you can’t access the forum here is the deal
BISMARCK – A low supply of gasoline caused by refinery slowdowns is threatening to cause regional shortages, Gov. John Hoeven said Friday in issuing an emergency order extending the service hours for commercial truck drivers hauling fuel.
The executive order waives the 15-hour limit on the drivers’ work shifts, said Don Canton, Hoeven’s spokesman. Some drivers must wait as long as 12 hours to get fuel, he said.
240 Mack // Jun 30, 2007 at 9:24 pm
Ms. Conserv-a-tips, in referance to your post 223, I know several people who have had similar experience.
I would think that Halliburton and other such companies wouldn’t hire some one like L@Y.
241 Darthmeister // Jun 30, 2007 at 10:09 pm
Mack, my Pennsylvania carry permit doesn’t have enough room on the back for the provision I think you are referencing. There was an accompanying sheet which referenced The Pennsylvania PA. CS 1995, Title 18, Chapter 61, Subchapter A) Uniform Firearms Act, Section 6109 Licenses.
I don’t have a scanner at home so I can’t scan it and send it to you but you can find it reproduced here. BTW, I think Pennsylvania had made some changes in the format of the license some time in 2002-2003. I don’t know if any of this helps or not.
Also Mack, I didn’t know this but Florida outlaws open-carry except in the case of hunting, in self-defense or in regard to professional security useage (like Brinks guards):
Open carry when on foot is not permitted in any public area, except for lawful self-defense or hunting. When hunting on private land, or on properties expressly approved for hunting by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or Division of Forestry, open carry is permitted.
The exception for “self-defense” is a matter of common sense since the point of conceal carry is for a citizen to have the firearm available to bring out into the open when confronted with the threat. This is to keep some enterprising prosecutor from arguing that when the citizen removed his firearm from concealment, he would then be technically engaged in open-carry! Doh!
242 Laughing@You // Jul 1, 2007 at 12:56 am
Mack,
First of all, thank you Henry!
170 I have a Statewide Firearms License (Carry Openly), and a Concealed Weapons License.
178 “You lied about your permit first today. All permits are statewide.”
185 “The class “G†license in Florida is called a “Statewide Firearms License.†Why don’t you check that now, then maybe you should apologize.”
199 Show the Class “G” License name to be “Statewide Firearms License.â€
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/security/firearms.html
I hold four Florida Licenses, two are firearm specific. The back of three of the four have a plain white background with these words in black
“Direct Inquiries To:
Florida Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services
Division of Licensing, P.O. Box 66877
Tallahassee, FL 32314-6687
850/245-5681
Every statement I have made is true. When you challenged my statements. I tried to provide the information to substantiate my statement. I think a reasonable person would be satisfied.
You demand a penal code reference I do not have; moreover I don’t think exists. It seems to me the penal code deals with illegal acts, not legal ones.
You claim to have “outted” me, at some time in the past about Kafgi. Nonsense!
“The U.S. Army wasn’t involved in the battle of Kafgi.” Of course, they were not! But, wouldn’t skirmish be a better word!
My son was with the U. S. Army’s 7th Corps, 3rd Armored Division, they attack and destroyed the most elite unit of the Republican Guard, the Tawakalna Division. The action was too dangerous and violent for camera crews to be there. Please note the word “destroyed” they finished the job! The most vaunted unit in the Iraq Army was NOT there to meet our forces this go.
There weren’t any Republican Guards at Kafgi were there?
Before the ground war started, I asked my son to bring me the emblem of the Republican Guard, he brought a black beret with the Iraqi Eagle, have you ever even seen one?
Outted me? Only in your other dreams, phony!
243 JamesonLewis3rd // Jul 1, 2007 at 7:08 am
God Bless America
244 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jul 1, 2007 at 7:34 am
Okay, it’s Sunday. No more arguing about your firearms.
245 Darthmeister // Jul 1, 2007 at 9:42 am
Reconsidering our reverence of FDR and the New Deal.
I’ve heard refrains of this a few decades ago. It was then argued, quite cogently I might add, that the New Deal actually prolonged the agony of the Great Depression until the mobilization of industry and manpower due to our entry into World War II which brought America out of its economic malaise.
246 Darthmeister // Jul 1, 2007 at 9:50 am
More Al Goracle lies unmasked by this editorial at the Chicago Sun-Times. Some of us had previously made note of some of these scientific counterpoints (actually, inconvenient truths) to Goracle’s pseudo-scientific crockumentary. What irony. He’s the classic snake oil salesman.
247 JamesonLewis3rd // Jul 1, 2007 at 2:14 pm
Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope.~~Romans 5:3-4
248 EXT // Jul 1, 2007 at 2:17 pm
And so the guy whose “wife” was wearing her sporty new burqua said:
“Before the ground war started, I asked my son to bring me the emblem of the Republican Guard, he brought a black beret with the Iraqi Eagle, have you ever even seen one?”
And I’m sure you wear it with pride as the Mrs. walks five paces behind you. Actually, it does look well on you!
249 JamesonLewis3rd // Jul 1, 2007 at 2:52 pm
8-9 hours ago, it was a gorgeous, sunny morning. I pulled weeds like a man possessed and pruned while I had the chance.
Now, again, the sky is black, the wind howls in the trees and the torrential downpour pours down.
My lawn looks wonderful.
250 JamesonLewis3rd // Jul 1, 2007 at 2:53 pm
Even the sidewalks are squishy.
251 Darthmeister // Jul 1, 2007 at 6:53 pm
Michael Yon’s latest dispatch from Iraq is a reminder of the chilling barbarity of al Qaeda which the lamestream media either glosses over or spins as America’s fault.
Though the Bush Administration has been curiously inarticulate about the greater GWOT that is being fought in Iraq, Yon’s eyewitness account is just a reminder of why this nation fights against radical Islamists who even murder their own innocent brothers and sisters for “the cause”.
252 conserve-a-tips // Jul 1, 2007 at 8:52 pm
James, one of my close friends’ yard caved in this weekend up here in Okieville. Still caving and they are starting to worry about the foundation of their home. It was raining when we left this morning (we are heading to Tennessee to the Smokies. Yippee!!). You realize that with our luck, we will bring the rain with us. But if they tell us that it is global warming, we will just tell them that it is because we are from the great state of Oklahoma, where God still rains. Yuck. yuck. Get it? Huh? Huh?
Ms Rightwing, Ink: Why would you be opposed to a discussion of underarms on Sunday? You don’t strike me as that prudish.
We’ve just driven into a little town east of Memphis and are checking in! Yeah. If I seem high, it’s cause I’m punchy. 8 1/2 hours in a car with a dog is a bit long. (and no, I am not calling my hubby a dog)
253 Mack // Jul 1, 2007 at 9:41 pm
First he was from Michigan, then Florida, now he is from Pennsylvania. Ms. Conserv-a-tips busted him further with the discussion of her personal experience with C-Section, an argument which L@Y obfuscated away from this issue of abortion in the first place, and I am supposed to not say he is a liar?
This all sounds like the crap we hear daily from the Democrats on the hill and in the media. Jeffers from New Orleans gets bagged red handed with bribe money in his freezer but Randy Cunningham goes to prison and is evil. Tom Delay faces blistering attacks and the case is dismissed yet Dianne Fienstien can’t even be investigated by the Senate.
I stand by what I wrote. I further point out that there is also a “doc” number on each permit, my Iowa permit has the number “CFN 595-1160 WPO” in the upper left hand corner on the front. All Government forms have them. That way when they update the form the old ones are discarded after expiration. This practice dates back to the Civil War when forgeries and counterfeiting were rampant.
I think I can safely say that if you aren’t a liar you’re not very bright. Michigan, then Florida, then Pennsylvania. the credibility is lost when the story changes repeatedly in the telling.
I woulod say that I do this to discredit you, but once when I was ten I got caught in a lie. I hated the humiliation of it and learned from it not to lie. I have made mistakes with facts from time to time but not with intent.
Here there are just to many people that have access to to much accurate first hand information. Learn from this.
254 Mack // Jul 1, 2007 at 9:47 pm
By the way, the statute that defines Florida carry laws is Florida Statute s.790.01,
Glass G is the short cut on the web site you posted.
255 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jul 1, 2007 at 10:46 pm
Prudish? Me? Ha?
I just thought the guns needed to be put away before someone pulled a Circle K on us. Anything I hate it’s dodging bullets from my computer monitor. Dodging, not like in Dodge City.
I just returned from our regional lakes area (one of the nicer thing about the Bunker’s locale) after an evening of watching the fireworks so I am calling it quits. Nite all
256 Darthmeister // Jul 1, 2007 at 10:51 pm
Mack,
I hope you didn’t get the impression that I agree with Lying@You. In fact I have my doubts about not only the familial pedigree he constantly harps about but also any of the other accomplishments he claims to have engaged in. Though I’m in no position to call him a liar, until I actually see his DD214 I’ll continue in my disbelief of what he has said about his service to this country based on how he has conducted himself here. We literally know nothing about this troll except what he hammers out on his keyboard. He could be some snotty-nosed 16 year old kid living in a basement who is very adept at creating entire personas and Googling information on topics he knows little about (which does often seem the case).
Unlike other Scrapplers who have demonstrated an honesty, integrity and consistency about their lives here at Scrappleface, I don’t believe a thing the troll says about himself. I don’t have enough hard evidence to call him a liar regarding what he claims about himself, though you’ve done a pretty good job of tracking the various rabbit holes this troll has jumped down trying to one-up various Scrapplers the last two years. The behavior of said troll on this site actually gives me far more reasons NOT to believe a word he says about himself than to take them at face value.
Just look at the way the troll has spewed its hateful venom toward the female Scrapplers on this site … certainly no officer and a gentleman there. Anybody can post anything they want about them being an active duty Colonel in the Marine Corps or a brain surgeon working a world-class hospital … all that information is just a Google click away.
The behavior of said troll has certainly created in me a healthy skepticism about its purported accomplishments in life, particularly since he has already been caught in various other lies from things like lying about me supposedly lying about the entrance requirements to West Point to being a “Goldwater conservative” – though to be fair, the latter claim could be attributed to his gullibility in believing the media myths about “Goldwater conservatives.”
BTW, Mack, the Pennsylvania doc # on my carry permit is SP 4-129(12-2003). My permit # is 140XXXXX. A check at the Pennyslvania State Police (if they give out such information) would reveal that the permit # is within the range of those issued in 2006.
257 Effeminem // Jul 1, 2007 at 11:34 pm
And yet my bo doesn’t require a license at all.
258 Laughing@You // Jul 1, 2007 at 11:37 pm
241 “Mack, my Pennsylvania carry permit doesn’t have enough room on the back for the provision I think you are referencing.”
Comment by Darthmeister — June 30, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
Henry made reference to Pennsylvania, I never did. I lived in Michigan where I owned firearms, before moving to Florida.
Yes, I believe the statute coving my license is Florida Statute s.790.01. Now, read it again Big Time.
198 “If you have a permit the Penal Code section which authorizes it is printed on it somewhere. Simply type that in this little box and we will all know.
It’s not hard. Now I must be going but I’ll check back in an hour to see if I need apologize.”
Comment by Mack — June 29, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
DID YOU ASK FOR THE STATUTE NUMBER? OR DID YOU ASK FOR A PENAL CODE SECTION?
IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A STATUTE NUMBER, AND A PENAL CODE SECTION?
You know what else, knowitall, THE STATUTE NUMBER ISN’T ON THE LICENSE EITHER; front or back. There is also no form number, and I’m sure not going to give some nut my license number.
Where were you a police officer? How long? Why did you leave? Was it for misconduct, or a “medical” problem?
Your original challenge was only over the NAME of the license.
170 I have a Statewide Firearms License (Carry Openly), and a Concealed Weapons License.
178 “You lied about your permit first today. All permits are statewide.â€
185 “The class “G†license in Florida is called a “Statewide Firearms License.†Why don’t you check that now, then maybe you should apologize.â€
199 Show the Class “G†License name to be “Statewide Firearms License.â€
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/security/firearms.html
YOU OUTED ME ABOUT MY SON? YOU MAY REMEMBER BLACKLION31. IF I WAS GOING TO LIE ABOUT MY SON, I COULD DO BETTER THAN KAFGI!
I ask you again, DID YOU EVER EVEN SEE A REPUBLICAN GUARD THAT THE U. S. ARMY HADN’T ALREADY KILLED, WOUNDED, OR TAKEN PRISONER?
It’s you who is “outed” Mack (and there are still many more readers than “posters”). Now I’m done with you!
259 Laughing@You // Jul 1, 2007 at 11:41 pm
Actually Henry, I voted for Barry Goldwater.
260 Laughing@You // Jul 2, 2007 at 12:25 am
I MISSPOKE!
I WAS WRONG about the Statute Section not being on the license. The Concealed Weapon or Firearm License does show the statute number in a paragraph of very small print. The paragraph reads as follows:
The above name individual is licensed by the Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services, Division of Licensing in accordance with Section 790.06 Florida Statutes. Charles H. Bronson Commissioner
After close examination I still find no form number. The License appears to be a solid white plastic card. The picture on the card appears to be part of the plastic.
I WAS WRONG, but still, a Statute Section Number is not a Penal Code Section Number.
261 Fred Sinclair // Jul 2, 2007 at 2:31 am
Mikey Moore (aka Michael Moron) has a new movie out. Egotistically named after himself, “SICKO” aptly describes his utterly sick, diseased, degenerate, Socialistic attitude toward Universal Health Care. It’s about on par with Algore’s “Religion of Manmade Global Warming.” Harking back to the days of the horse drawn wagons, where out of the back, hucksters would sell their bottles of “Snake Oil” medicine as a total remedy. Guaranteed to cure everything from an ingrown toenail to lung cancer. These bottles of “Manmade Global Warming.” and “Universal Health Care” like their earlier counterparts, are designed to separate you from your money and attempt to “cure” the sickly and failing Democrat Party.
Finely (they hope, succeeding, where Stalin and his gang of co-hearts failed) in bringing about the takeover of America by Communism. They’re actively engaged in converting all of America to their way of life as they worship at the throne of Marx, Lenin and Stalin. They seem to want their version of No. Korea, No. Viet Nam, Cuba, Venezuela,etc. Here in America.
With the top liberals – Kennedy, Levin, Pelosi, Reid etc. now they’ve got Mayor Bloomburg on board, following the plan of earlier dictators who ALWAYS listed as part ONE of their plan: “confiscate and ban all firearms”. He said he is dedicated to doing away with PRIVATE CITIZEN’S ownership of guns
Heirborn Ranger
262 Harry Daschle // Jul 2, 2007 at 4:38 am
I pity poor Camojack!
His city is falling apart, while his Mayor is waiting in line for an I-phone!
In Indianapolis, our DIMocrat Mayor is not much better, but he does have a little more sense.
He sent one of his MANY Deputy Mayor’s to get one for him!
I would offer to trade Mayor’s with him except I don’t know who would be better off. These two are only a bit better than Ray Nagin!
263 Darthmeister // Jul 2, 2007 at 9:21 am
Harry, the good mayor could have gone to the head of the line and pulled a John F’in Kerry … “Do you know who I am?”
… Yeah, you’re our jerk DemDonk mayor, get in the back of the line!
264 Laughing@You // Jul 2, 2007 at 12:55 pm
“I hope you didn’t get the impression that I agree with Lying@You. In fact I have my doubts about not only the familial pedigree he constantly harps about but also any of the other accomplishments he claims to have engaged in.”
Henry, you were almost a man for a brief moment, but you ducked back in your little hole. Didn’t you?
Come on guy, just jump up and leave the security of your group, stand free and shout “your” truth!
You know, I was pleased with the things I have shared with you floks; but, until I came here, I really never stopped to consider the sum total, … compared to you all, it is really quite something, ain’t it?
Thanks!
265 Laughing@You // Jul 2, 2007 at 2:56 pm
“What trick, what device, what starting-hole canst thou now find out, to hide thee from this open and apparent shame?”
-Taken from: Henry IV, part I
266 Rock Slatestone // Jul 3, 2007 at 8:56 am
““When you see the beautiful childlike faith of these usually-skeptical reporters and editors,†he said, “it gives one hope that a new era has dawned…”
I love it. Scott, this is awesome writing. You tickle my funny bone.
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